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#42 Posted : Friday, January 08, 2010 10:03:06 AM(UTC)
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I am not a sexiest, but the reality of the matter is that unmarried women tend to use children to get to the men. This is allowed by law of many countries. I can't see any reason why should you pay such a huge amount when you can spent quarter of that if you are living with your child. If the courts or law was very interested in the well being of the child why can't they let a parent that is able to support the child to live with the child? The way our law is made, is just to increase hatred to our exs and make sure you won't enjoy life anymore. Nowadays having a moment of pleasure (physiological need) is worse than killing a person. I feel for you broer. I can't imagine how much you will pay in the next 5 years. Maybe to share with you my motto, 'I don't allow any humps/ hiccups in my life, if they appear I remove them'.
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#43 Posted : Friday, January 08, 2010 10:48:14 AM(UTC)
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It is truly shocking when you get advice from people saying "be grateful" and "do it on your own". No, no, no.
It is a man's responsibility to help support his child financially - 50% of the child's expenses. This applies to the mother as well.

I've been going to court for nearly 2 years now because my ex prefers to spend his money on flashy cars and live the high life. As a result I am now suing his parents for the maintenance.

It's not nice spending days in court fighting for maintenance, but if your child's survival and future depends on it, it's worth every minute.

What man/woman allows their children to suffer financially? A really bad one.
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#45 Posted : Friday, January 08, 2010 1:50:35 PM(UTC)
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Custody- child is born out-of-wedlock and then stays with the mother and mothers parents. If it happens that the mother of the child passed away, what are the chances of getting a custody of your child? As a father of your child you were paying the maintenance and seeing your child twice a year. Can the court refuse the custody based on the fact that the child was born out-of-wedlock therefore the grandparents can take the custody of the child..........
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#46 Posted : Friday, January 08, 2010 2:51:15 PM(UTC)
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For Custody - If you are the legal father in other words registered as father with home affairs, and the mother pass away then you are the legal custodial parent. If the family do not agree, then cannot withhold the child, they have to go to the family court/family advocate and start proceedings to proof you to be an unfit parent.

As for the maintenance question, my 3 year old's creche cost alone is R2200. So for the fathers who would rather pay as little as possible then work with the mother to give their child the best they can afford in order to give their child a future in this word....shame.
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#49 Posted : Monday, January 11, 2010 10:42:02 AM(UTC)
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Did I read you right? You earn more than your ex and you're STILL getting such a high amount? When I got divorced I was earning R14k LESS than him and my maintenance was set at R1500 per month for our then 8-month old daughter (exenses included nappies, formula, day care, baby-friendly food, etc). Add to this the fact that I had to move out of the home and set up a new place for the 2 of us on a salary of R3000 a month. 6 years later, my maintenance is only R1700 per month.

Yes, I'd say what you're 'earning' in custody is more than fair. Divorce calls for many changes to take place in your life... including your standard of living as you adapt to being a single income household.
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#50 Posted : Tuesday, January 12, 2010 12:35:15 PM(UTC)
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My husband has been divorced for 13 years and has a 17 year old son.
He has paid maintenance every single month without fail even when his business was not generating any income. Yet, without fail his ex has threatened to take him to court every year. We pay school fees, buy uniforms, buy clothes when required, pay for his son’s cell phone & airtime.

Now I don’t have a problem with my husband maintaining his son, BUT, I have a problem with the following:
His ex refuses to work….She told the court that she had an accident (not true) and therefore can not work. She claims she is over qualified and therefore can not find the ‘right’ job. (She has no formal education)
She lives with her mother in a fully paid for flat.
When we go shopping the son demands shoes that cost in excess of R500 a pair &
t-shirts that cost R400. My husband & I do not even spend that much on ourselves!!!
She left her son with her mother & moved to CT with her new husband but still refused to give us custody.
The child just barely manages to pass his exams at the end of the year, yet she constantly asks what my husband is doing to ensure his tertiary education is taken care of.

I think woman who continuously demand more money from their ex’s are just plain GREEDY!!! I see it from a different perspective and really think if you want custody of the child, then you need to get off your lazy @$$ and make it happen for yourself. Stop relying on your ex to support you ‘cos that’s exactly what it is, you need the maintenance to subsidise your way of living.Shame on you
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#51 Posted : Tuesday, January 12, 2010 4:34:26 PM(UTC)
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My son will three in a couple of months. During the divorce we had to calculate the maintenance amount. Her and her lawyer did some of the fancy calculations I see above, and they arrived at an amount of R9000/month..no, not R900, but R9000/month. This meant that it cost R18,000/month to look after my 2-yr old son! Needless to say, I was not moved. The whole episode killed any trust I had in her. So, I asked her what the 'incremental' cost to her was of having him stay with her. She told me it was R1200, and I said I would pay R600. But before you women start calling me names, in addition to the R600, I pay half of everything he needs - half of his school fees, I buy him clothes, I pay half of any medical aid shortfall, I pay for half of any activities he does at school...I will be paying half of the costs of his birthday party when he turns 3. I can get the invoices from the school, but with the other stuff, I have asked her to email me the receipts when she buys something and I will reimburse her my portion. She refuses to do this, and then goes around talking about how the money she is getting from me is not enough!
I am committed to providing for my son, but I refuse to be taken advantage of.Shame on you I love my son with everything that is within me, and I will do right by him.
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#52 Posted : Wednesday, January 13, 2010 3:55:04 PM(UTC)
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R2300 is too much . Mothers please do not use maintenance money to buy ciders .
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#53 Posted : Wednesday, January 13, 2010 6:08:36 PM(UTC)
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Go back and asked for more cause maybe know he has a other child that is getting more and that he is spending more on he is not only your child but his also...
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#54 Posted : Thursday, January 14, 2010 3:04:27 PM(UTC)
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I got divorced in 2009. My ex only pay's R1600 pm for a 13 and 11 yr old. He still refuses to pay more saying that I must also pay for the stuff that they need. He said that he is paying maintenance and that he demands to know what i do with the money, which I can provide as I keep all my slips and receipts for every cent that I spend. When I showed him how much the kids are costing me...he said it is my problem because he is paying his part. I worked out how much it costs me a month to raise my 2 kids and it comes to about R3500 pm(BASIC NEEDS), but that is without any extra's that they need which he thinks I must pay all by myself. Why.... because he is paying is maintenance and the hell with everything and everybody else. He left me with school fees (DEBT) which he did not pay it all comes to R21000. So what must I do? What every mother do....... sactific so that my kids can have all they need. Oh by the way I only earn R6000 pm and ex is earning R21000 pm.
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#55 Posted : Thursday, January 14, 2010 4:11:25 PM(UTC)
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i think its sad that people are not willing to pay and support the children that they created. i had to fight my father for R1000 per month from when i was 17 until i turned 18. its just unfortunate that he cares more for his wifes kids then his own.
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#56 Posted : Thursday, January 14, 2010 6:24:36 PM(UTC)
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I have 4 kidz and paying R4000 per child and she pays nothing. She has even taken some relatives of her and are leaving with, this was the court ruling in Zimbabwe (leaving in SA). I also pay for school feez, uniforms, health care/medical aid. After o this I end up with R400 on myself. Those who call this fair can go hang. The laws protect women a lot, we are also human. I love my kidz thats y I do it but I am getting tired after I see how many people I luk after and my kids do not seem to get their share of my money, their maintanance.
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#57 Posted : Tuesday, January 26, 2010 4:28:05 PM(UTC)
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I have a very good relationship with my daughter and she spends every second weekend with me. She was born out of wedlock although her mom and I lived together for a few years. I currently pay for all her school fees, stationary, after school and extracurricular activities. I cover her medical expenses 100% and even the shortfall should there be any. On top of that I contribute R300 p/m for his lunch box, R100 p/m for any unforeseen school expenses, R200 p/m towards clothing and R400 p/m to contribute towards his living expenses. I am earning a bit more then what I did when her mom and I were still living together, and she just milks me for more. She claims that it is my duty and she doesn’t earn an income because she is a stay at home mom for her new hubby and kids…
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#61 Posted : Monday, February 08, 2010 2:22:45 PM(UTC)
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My partner's kids live with us. His ex doesn't contribute a cent to their upkeep (she chooses not to work). In fact, my partner pays her for the few weekends they spend with her! Tell me that is fair!?
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#62 Posted : Wednesday, February 10, 2010 2:59:46 PM(UTC)
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I have a 2 1/2 year old and I pay between R5 000.00 and R10 000.00 per month and i battle to get my visitation rights and she does not work and has not since he was conceived. No matter what you pay the children are used as a tool / weapon for their own manipulative reasons
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#63 Posted : Wednesday, February 10, 2010 11:15:19 PM(UTC)
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Maintenance is a simple mathematical equation.
You add up the actual monthly expenses of the child. For ease of calculation we arrive at R 1000.00 rand per month.
Mommy earns R 6000.00 per month
Daddy earns R 4000.00 per month add the 2 together and work out the total percentage earned. Dad earns 40% mom earns 60 %
Maintenance is then calculated that dad will pay R 400.00 per month and Mom pays R 600.00 per month. If it is assumed that R 2300.00 is the total amount that is required per month to maintain your daughter, and your ex is earning more than you, I would say that you are being screwed.
If this is indeed the case, go to maintenance court and get a variation of maintenance order.
Best of luck.
Contact Fathers 4 Justice on WWW.f4j .co.za for additional info
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#66 Posted : Wednesday, February 10, 2010 11:43:38 PM(UTC)
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Other things to remember – Additional / extramural activities.
Determine how much / how many activities you want and / or are able to pay for and agree to that amount for those activities. Deal directly with the club etc and pay directly for said activities yourself.
The parent wishing to have little Johnny or Mary attend 7921 different activities per day then becomes wholly and solely responsible for all financial and logistical obligations around attending said 7921 different activities. As father 4 justice we question the validity and whether attending every conceivable activity available is truly in the best interest of the child.
Where a child displays a particular interest / passion for a particular activity we actively encourage both parents to jointly finance and support the child in that particular activity.
Please keep in mind that maintenance does not equal contact and vice versa.
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What if he won’t pay?
Importantly, the biological father is responsible for the payment of maintenance for the child, regardless of whether he chooses to apply for parental responsibilities or not.
If there is a dispute between the child’s parents about maintenance, the matter has to be dealt with by a family attorney, social worker, social services professional or other suitably qualified person. This applies regardless of whether the child was born before or after the commencement of the new Act.
What does this mean?
It doesn’t matter whether the parents are married and they conceive a child, or whether they marry after conception and before the birth of the child: they’re both equally responsible for that child. However, nothing has changed as regards to the law concerning minor children.
Contact F4J on www.f4j.co.za for more support and info.
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#67 Posted : Thursday, February 11, 2010 12:01:54 AM(UTC)
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its all relative. I think children should be kept in the lifestyle they are accustomed to. If the father can afford it, but wont just to spite the mother, then I say shame on him.
At the end of the day the children are the losers.

I also think it should be determined on reasons for terminating the marriage.

People go into committed relationships way to easily, concent to having children, then 10 years down the line, they want out for a younger prettier model and bugger off. Buy flashy cars and houses and spend money on entertainment and clothes.

A lot of woman also let themselves go, forcing their spouses to look elsewhere.

All this should be considered in maintenance issues and the facts as well as earning potential of both parties should be taken into consideration.
Its a partnership, for better or worse, and if it cannot be resolved then there must be compensation for the lesser income earner.
I know of people that stay together as they cannot afford to get divorced, also not a good way to live, but these facts must be taken into consideration prior to making a huge commitment.

I wish I had done things differently myself.
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#71 Posted : Thursday, February 25, 2010 6:22:11 PM(UTC)
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Good day. I would like to know what i can do to make my ex pay more maintanance? For the past year he is paying R400 per child, ages 6, 8, 13. I earn a salary of R3960 pm. He earn a salary of R15000 pm plus commition. I went to the maintanance court in december 2009, the maintanance court head asked him a few questions, sead to him that i am suing him for R700 per child per month, she asked him if he can afford that, he replied no. She then asked him how much can he offer me, and he replied R400 per child per month, the same amount he is paying the past year! She then said to me, well MRS, UP TO YOU, TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT, HE CANT AFFORD MORE! How is it possible that when a mother really in need of help with the law, just get no assistance. How is it so easy for a man to just be relieved of all fatherly responsibilities? Myself and my new husband are struggeling supporting 6 independants, with a combined income of +-R8000, and my ex whom earn a high income, only support himself, have no responsibilities what so ever exept himself, are just being relieved of all major responsibilities!!! While my worries are what dept i can afford to pay this month and how much food can i buy, if any, he worries about what car can he traid the old one in for, and how much money can he spend on girlfriends and partying! He need to take responsibility with me as i did not consieve these kids on my own!
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#44 Posted : Saturday, July 03, 2010 2:02:07 AM(UTC)
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I AGREE!! I've been fighting for over 3 years to get my EX husband to support his 3 children! He has 4 High Court Contempt charges, but he gets away without supporting his children! I even tried to get a garnishee order & even his company neglect to assist His goal is get as many women in his bed to appease his brused ego, wine them, dine them & spend on clothes for himself! My children are exposed to these floozies as well! The law in this country assists the parent to neglect his responsibilities & duties because the process is so slow!
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