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Neurologist prescribed antipsychotic for my "terrible 2"????
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#1 Posted : Friday, October 22, 2010 12:02:37 PM(UTC)
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how common/normal is it these days for medical professionals (paediatric neurologist in this case) to prescribe Risperdal to "correct behaviour" for a "terrible 2"? the medication pamphlet says its an antipsychotic and is used to treat things like schizophrenia and symptoms of bipolar disorder! In our case it was prescribed because the 2 jr old was "difficult" - hyper, screaming at a very high pitch, uncooperative - in the consulting room, when we went to see the neurologist about febrile seizures. In my daughter's defence, we sat waiting for 3 hours for the dr to see us, and by then she was totally strung out and over tired. But also have to admit that she has a very low muscle tone and frequently hurts herself by trying to do dangerous things. She doesn’t seem to "get" consequences, so she doesn’t learn from previous mistakes and want to climb on the same table where she fell off moments ago. We consulted a paediatrician, who has treated our daughter before, about the Risperdal prescription, and he, very diplomatically, said that he only prescribes it in EXTREEM cases, for instance mentally retarded kids who hurts themselves. On the other hand, our daughter's occupational therapist says a LOT of "her babies" are on Risperal, and that these days it's usually prescribed for ADD/ADHD kids, who are too young for Ritalin or Concerta. And that its no big deal. Would appreciate any feedback PLEASE! I am too scared to give her this medication!
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#2 Posted : Friday, October 29, 2010 2:39:03 PM(UTC)
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go with your gut feeling it is always right - i would not give it to my son
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#3 Posted : Friday, October 29, 2010 9:46:39 PM(UTC)
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OMG.
Please don't do this. I was given Risperdal when I was 32. It messed up my life. All I needed was 6 months rest. Please let you child just be.
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#4 Posted : Friday, October 29, 2010 10:58:39 PM(UTC)
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I would get a second opinion....
Also, as far as I can see the drug is only there to manage her behaviour, if you feel you have her well managed and you can cope - really, don't give it to her. Well I'm no doctor, but that's what I'd do.
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#5 Posted : Monday, November 01, 2010 10:08:27 AM(UTC)
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Impluse control problems in a 2 year old? I don't understand this, as EVERY 2 year old has impulse control problems - it is normal, as they do not have the emotional maturity to control their impulses. Medicate this and you will put your kid through hell later on in life...
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#6 Posted : Monday, November 01, 2010 10:18:29 AM(UTC)
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have you tried consulting a pharmacist?rispedal is mainly used to treat migraines and parkinsons's disease,so it is adviseable if you can actually consult someone who works with medicines first hand.
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#7 Posted : Monday, November 01, 2010 10:27:14 AM(UTC)
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As a psychologist, I would not recommend starting her on any medication until you have received a diagnosis from a mental health practitioner. Anti-psychotics can be safely prescribed for children and can be of great value, but in this delicate stage of brain development, I would rather recommend waiting until you are sure it is indicated, and not trying it as an experiment in modifying your child's behaviour.
In addition to the Occupational Therapist you are already seeing, I STRONGLY recommend you consult a Clinical Psychologist or Psychiatrist with extensive experience in Child Psychiatry. The golden rule : no diagnosis, no meds.
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#8 Posted : Monday, November 01, 2010 11:01:11 AM(UTC)
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Please do not give your young child Risperdal. It surpresses the childs emotional development, thus also the development of his character. It works extremely deep in the brain and has terrible side effects. Also make sure that your child eats healthy - very little sugar - no coke etc. Buy him flax seed oil and follow instructions - it is omega. All the best.
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#10 Posted : Monday, November 01, 2010 11:04:05 AM(UTC)
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I wouldn't put my son on it. All the behavior you described sounds like a typical 2 year old to me.
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#11 Posted : Monday, November 01, 2010 11:57:01 AM(UTC)
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One thing about screaming kids. Our one son did it, it was only after we found out that his first set of Grommets had fallen out way to soon and that his ears were blocked with fluid (get this done by a decent ENT we had 4 different doctors all tell us the grommets were there and they were not). His only way for him to get his message across was to be loud enough so that he could hear himself.

Also this goes to consequences. If your kids cant hear you tell him why its wrong he will never be able to learn from their mistakes.

In some kids it also cause extreme pain as their ears become over amplified which can lead to odd behavior. So before you go down the road of medicating your kid make sure he had had his ears properly tested (they uses a machine which uses pressure to check the sound reflecting off the eardrum. You should see a wave like print out which will be flatter the more blocked up their ears are.

Too many practitioners only treat symptoms with out finding out what the causes are. Before I go down the route of medicating make sure all of your kids systems are working the way they are supposed to be

Anyway good luck
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#12 Posted : Monday, November 01, 2010 12:24:52 PM(UTC)
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So you consulted a professional, and a specialist at that, and now doubt his/her diagnosis. This is normal. I too am a clinical psychologist and I disagree with the previous psychologist - you don't have to be a mental helath professional to prescribe antidepressants, mood stabilisers or antipsychotic medication. Many medications have multiple uses; some antidepressants are used to treat pain, another antidepressant is used to stop bed wetting, anticonvulsant medications also act as mood stabilizers for bipolar mood disorders, antipsychotic medications can help to manage aggression, while others are used to sedate patients.

I do however agree with the psychologist and suggest that you shoud only medicate an acurate diagnosis. I am not sure what all you have had done for your child. Have you ruled out hormonal problems, liver and kidney problems, neurological problems, developmental problems etc? Could it be a chromosomal? It may be due to severe ear ache or some other "innocent" cause.

You mentioned febral convultions. These can affect thought processes as well as behaviour. The child can act erratically and often dangerously. Another golden rule for psychology and psychiatry is to never make a diagnosis until medical conditions have been ruled out, and further more, that the condition is not due to a chemical, drug or other substance. I would focus on these areas first. A physician may not be a bad person to consult next.

Ruling out all of these possible causes/problems can be costly. You can (will) be shunted from pillar to post and can be exposed to psychologists, psychiatrists, neuorologists, paediatricians, physicians. physiotherapists, occupational therapsits and more, often with conflicting advice and diagnoses. And apart from the expenses it can take a huge emotional toll on you and the rest of your family.

My advice, for what it's worth:
Surround yourself with a good network of support
Get educated - read, ask questions, and consult widely
Not all medication is indicated, not every person reacts the same to medications (often have to rely on trial and error)
Not all medication is evil. There comes a time to medicate.
You may find that you are faced with more difficult choices and tough news - you may hear a diagnosis that is "harder" or "more serious" than others. Sometimes the truth is difficult to cope with. In which case, refer to my first point of advice.

Most importantly, good luck.




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#13 Posted : Monday, November 01, 2010 12:25:29 PM(UTC)
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I would certainly wait until your child is older before trying to diagnose an 'impulse control' problem.
It is aslo pretty normal for that age group to be defiant, and to have no comprehension of the consequences of their actions.
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#14 Posted : Monday, November 01, 2010 12:40:17 PM(UTC)
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I'm not a doctor but have a 5 yr old with Sensory Integration disorder. He's impulsive, fearless, can't see consequences eg falling out of a tree and then climbing again. You could be writing about my son when he was 2. He was diagnosed by an Occupational Therapist and has been treated since he was 2. His diet makes a big difference - no additives, colourants, flavourants, dairy (he's on Soya), no preservatives.

He has Biostrath and Flaxseed (omega 3;6;9) every day. Rather try a natural way before you medicate your child. No-one knows what the long term effects will be.
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#15 Posted : Monday, November 01, 2010 12:57:30 PM(UTC)
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My son was 9 and placed on Risperdal for temporal lobe epilepsy, what a world of difference it made, he was on 0.2 ml's a day for 6 months, now he is only on the anti epilepsy medication, he has temporal lobe epilepsy and is prone to depression (diagnosed by a psychologist and a neurologist). If you are concerned about the Risperdal then maybe get a second opinion but it is not a life sentence to be on the meds either.
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#16 Posted : Monday, November 01, 2010 1:58:38 PM(UTC)
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If you want to utlise a professional then you must at least try to adhere to their advice. If you want to go and see second neurosurgeon go ahead.
You are not a professional with regard to medication and its effects. I have often been on treatment for which the medication prescibed was not its primary purpose (remeber Viagra started as treatment for heart disease) and so far all medication has worked as intended.
You need to make a decision. Every medication has side effects. The whole purpose of taking medication is that the side effect is less detrimental then not taking the medication.
All i can say is trust modern medicine.
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Please do not give your young child Risperdal. It surpresses the childs emotional development, thus also the development of his character. It works extremely deep in the brain and has terrible side effects. Also make sure that your child eats healthy - very little sugar - no coke etc. Buy him flax seed oil and follow instructions - it is omega. All the best.


I can not agree more with you. When my daughter was 2 years old, she too was put on Risperdal. She had extremely violent outbursts, in which she would cause hurt to herself and me. It got so bad that both myself and my father had to push this child onto the bed until she was calm. She would literally bite me until the blood ran!
This medication however was used until she reached the age of 5, when I realised, my bright and very intelligent child could not function as a normal child. She had no consentration at all!

Today I have an 11 year daughter in therapy due to the emotional drawback at the age of 2. She bullies other children, hurts her small sibling and hardly ever shows remorse. Nothing bad that ever happens is her fault (she believes), thus, she is not able to take responsibility for her actions!

DO NOT PUT YOUR CHILD ON THIS MEDICATION!
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#17 Posted : Monday, November 01, 2010 2:35:29 PM(UTC)
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When you've got a hammer, everything looks like a nail...
What is the worst possible outcome of putting your your child on the medication? Can the professional say, with accuracy, etc? Are those odds acceptable to you?
What is the worst possible outcome of NOT putting your child on the medication? You may find you have to adjust your lifestyle, diet, etc, to make sure your child isn't over stimulated, or exposed to stimulants, or possibly dangerous situations.
As an aside, after 3 hours in a waiting room - to which I'd arrived at the correct time - I would've been livid. In fact, I would've left already. 45 minutes is my max for waiting for a doctor. Really, they might be the specialist, but you're their customer - you absolutely deserve to be treated better. If they're completely overrun everyday, they need to re-evaluate their process, or performance, and reschedule accordingly. If they're just packing them in there so they can afford an extravagant lifestyle, well, they don't deserve it. To the professionals reading this, sure we the patient can't tell what you're treatment philosophy really is, but if you leave us waiting for an eternity, you give us a clear indication of your attitude. Professional is being on time too.
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This is scary. I have a 2 year old as well, when we get into a shop he will kick and scream for sweets wich we never give him but he will still kick and scream everytime. I am worried that at 24months he has poor impulse control.

Lady try discipline before medicine
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#18 Posted : Monday, November 01, 2010 3:18:24 PM(UTC)
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Guest wrote:
When you've got a hammer, everything looks like a nail...
What is the worst possible outcome of putting your your child on the medication? Can the professional say, with accuracy, etc? Are those odds acceptable to you?
What is the worst possible outcome of NOT putting your child on the medication? You may find you have to adjust your lifestyle, diet, etc, to make sure your child isn't over stimulated, or exposed to stimulants, or possibly dangerous situations.
As an aside, after 3 hours in a waiting room - to which I'd arrived at the correct time - I would've been livid. In fact, I would've left already. 45 minutes is my max for waiting for a doctor. Really, they might be the specialist, but you're their customer - you absolutely deserve to be treated better. If they're completely overrun everyday, they need to re-evaluate their process, or performance, and reschedule accordingly. If they're just packing them in there so they can afford an extravagant lifestyle, well, they don't deserve it. To the professionals reading this, sure we the patient can't tell what you're treatment philosophy really is, but if you leave us waiting for an eternity, you give us a clear indication of your attitude. Professional is being on time too.


Well said.=Applause
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#20 Posted : Monday, November 01, 2010 3:58:59 PM(UTC)
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Does all of this not boil down to discipline? Does children of the new day and age still get a hiding when having tantrums?? When they do things that is wrong, does the backside get lighted up?
I'm not saying abuse or that the child should get a hiding for every that is wrong, but a 2 year old biting untill there is blood? Tantrums because they don't get sweets when walking into the shop? Dunno, sounds a bit crazy
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