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#1 Posted : Tuesday, November 30, 2010 12:35:36 PM(UTC)
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Hi

Here is a story to think about, my 6 year old daughter and 7 year old niece were playing at home. My wife just so happened to check on what they were upto and found them embraced in a kiss, this was part of a game called the "marriage game"

Apparently they have played this game before, how concerned should we be, obviously we have spoken to both of them and informed them that kissing is something only adults do and they should not play the game again, the concerning part is they knew it was wrong and still played the game?

Any advice or thoughts on this one?

Should we have handled it differently?
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, December 01, 2010 1:22:30 PM(UTC)
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I'm not too sure exactly what you're talking about, or even asking.

Please help me try to understand it:
Do you consider it wrong for people to kiss? Or is it just wrong if they kiss outside of marriage?
Or is it that you have an issue with two little girls kissing?
Would you be happier about it if it were, say, a boy and a girl? Or two boys?

See, I'm not sure WHY or HOW you can say that "...they knew it was wrong..." - at 6 & 7 years old, they're not kissing each other as part of a sexual exploration/experimentation process - they're playing an innocent game, probably mimicking what they should see their parents (well, obviously not your daughter's parents!) doing as a normal part of daily married/cohabitative affection. Why is that bad?

Would you rather they roped in the little boy from down the road to play that game with them?

Would you rather they DIDN'T see normal physical affection (hugs, kisses, holding hands) as a part of normal life?

Or do you figure on observing and controlling every single aspect of their social development from now until their wedding-night(s)?

Perhaps you should ask yourself why YOU think it is/was wrong, and why you think you should make be making such a big deal of it and making these innocent little girls aware of things they shouldn't really be taking seriously until they're much older. Ask yourself why you're transferring your own feelings of 'guilt' and 'dirtiness' onto these innocent little girls. Ask yourself if making such a big deal of this innocent and absolutely normal childlike behaviour is actually good for these little children, and if by reacting in this heavy-handed, officious manner you are helping or hindering your daughter's development and eventual maturity. Be brutally honest with yourself while you're at it. You're probably not going to like the answers, though...

Because I don't see anything in your posting about 'fondling' or 'groping' or inappropriate nudity - just an embrace and a kiss - and unless you've neglected to tell us a lot of what must be incredibly sordid detail, this was obviously just an innocent game which you've now turned into something ugly.
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, December 01, 2010 5:58:59 PM(UTC)
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T0M wrote:
I'm not too sure exactly what you're talking about, or even asking.

Please help me try to understand it:
Do you consider it wrong for people to kiss? Or is it just wrong if they kiss outside of marriage?
Or is it that you have an issue with two little girls kissing?
Would you be happier about it if it were, say, a boy and a girl? Or two boys?

See, I'm not sure WHY or HOW you can say that "...they knew it was wrong..." - at 6 & 7 years old, they're not kissing each other as part of a sexual exploration/experimentation process - they're playing an innocent game, probably mimicking what they should see their parents (well, obviously not your daughter's parents!) doing as a normal part of daily married/cohabitative affection. Why is that bad?

Would you rather they roped in the little boy from down the road to play that game with them?

Would you rather they DIDN'T see normal physical affection (hugs, kisses, holding hands) as a part of normal life?

Or do you figure on observing and controlling every single aspect of their social development from now until their wedding-night(s)?

Perhaps you should ask yourself why YOU think it is/was wrong, and why you think you should make be making such a big deal of it and making these innocent little girls aware of things they shouldn't really be taking seriously until they're much older. Ask yourself why you're transferring your own feelings of 'guilt' and 'dirtiness' onto these innocent little girls. Ask yourself if making such a big deal of this innocent and absolutely normal childlike behaviour is actually good for these little children, and if by reacting in this heavy-handed, officious manner you are helping or hindering your daughter's development and eventual maturity. Be brutally honest with yourself while you're at it. You're probably not going to like the answers, though...

Because I don't see anything in your posting about 'fondling' or 'groping' or inappropriate nudity - just an embrace and a kiss - and unless you've neglected to tell us a lot of what must be incredibly sordid detail, this was obviously just an innocent game which you've now turned into something ugly.


I get what you are saying about the whole innocence behind it all. But really now kissing is sexual - whether you like it or not. It was wrong. Because if they were groping each other you would of found that wrong. If they saw this happening then they would of seen something to follow as in groping or more. Thing is they were obviously kissing each other in a way that was sexual. Because lets face it we know that a peck is a peck and a kiss is more sexual because the body language was suggesting it.

The OP handled it in the correct way. Didnt make a fuss out of it, didnt dicipline them and didnt shout and scream at them.

T0M
#4 Posted : Thursday, December 02, 2010 12:59:35 PM(UTC)
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Well, OP, what's YOUR answer on this?

Guest, I didn't see anything about 'french-kissing' or anything like that - the OP said "...embraced in a kiss..." - nothing more, nothing less.
You assume that the OP did nothing except 'talk' to the children about this - but that too is not made clear. Neither is the manner in which the OP 'talked' made clear...

As I often remind my protege's - When you 'assume', you make an ASS of U and ME!

Unless we know EXACTLY what was going on between the children, and EXACTLY what was said and/or done by the OP, then we're just making assumptions. Which is why I asked the OP to clarify the situation.

Even just talking about something to innocent children in a way that makes those children feel that it was a terrible thing to have done, creates problems for those children, sometimes for the rest of their lives. Repression of emotions and thoughts is NOT, contrary to what the apartheid regime in its heyday with its draconian censorship laws and obedient police force enforcing same would have had us believe, good for anybody.

I believe that the reason we're all here is to make things BETTER for our children, not more difficult. Unless we have all the facts, though, any advice we give is probably going to be useless. Which is why we need ALL the relevant details about problems encountered and consulted upon - how many threads have deteriorated into slanging matches because of assumptions made by one or other (normally anonymous "Guest") posters? Go and have a look...


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#6 Posted : Tuesday, February 01, 2011 1:21:34 PM(UTC)
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I don't think one must make too much of it, but I also don't think it is something to ignore.

Our children are exposed to many images, amongst others sexual images, through movies, tv programmes and magazines and even in their daily lives. Because we can't completely keep them away from inappropriate images, we must educate them on a level that is age appropriate for them when this is happening.

Use this kissing game as an opportunity to talk about kissing, but don't over-fuss it and don't make a big hoo-haa out of it. As you help dress you child talk to her about what is appropriate touching. Quick talks are better than long lectures.
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#7 Posted : Tuesday, February 01, 2011 1:48:38 PM(UTC)
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I agree with gemstonejhb. It's not a big deal - but it might be worth having a quiet non-threatening chat with your daughter, just to establish how the kissing came about and what she thought about it. My own daughter is 7 - and she and her best friend have recently discovered the delights of skinny-dipping. To them it's entirely natural and fun...it's only socially-aware adults who might see something sinister in that - or kissing! Kids of that age don't really have hang-ups....they only really develop hang-ups when adults start getting on their cases about stuff they regard as innocent and fun.
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#8 Posted : Tuesday, February 01, 2011 2:02:34 PM(UTC)
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I definitely agree with TOM - what's the problem here? I kiss my aunt and my uncle when I see them - is this sexual? If the kids were playing at being married adults, and doing what they see married adults do, that's not sexual, that's play-acting. My 7 year old son's best friend is a girl, and he's kissed her plenty of times - he loves her to bits, but there's nothing sexual about it.

Unless there was actual groping, or inappropriate touching involved, I really think that reacting in any way at all is potentially harmful to the kids, and if there was any, the first thing to worry about is where did they get the idea? What have they been exposed to?

By all means start discussing inappropriate touching - that should happen in any case - but it should be related to something that very possibly is completely innocent. I agree that the line 'they knew it was wrong' seems to me that the adults concerned are projecting their own hangups on to the situation.
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#9 Posted : Tuesday, February 01, 2011 3:34:00 PM(UTC)
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I agree with the other posters what was your issue? It was an innocent game between 2 innocent girls.
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#10 Posted : Tuesday, February 01, 2011 3:53:54 PM(UTC)
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I don't see what all the fuss is about. Children play games, the re-inact what they see through from their view point what goes on in daily life. How would they know that this is 'wrong" and what's so wrong about it? At ages of 6 and 7 they are still young and innocent. how can you tell them that only adults should kiss? So your saying that when they get to 18 its fine for them to have a 'sensual' kiss?
Tom is right - move on, leave it alone.
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#11 Posted : Tuesday, February 01, 2011 5:20:47 PM(UTC)
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Dear Guest, why is it wrong for the grils to kiss when playing marriage? Obviously you are the daddy to think like this. I know boys don't play like that but girls do, I'm surprised your wife thought it wrong, being a girl herself. It just shows that they have loving parents and are learing to be loving adults. Since when are only adults allowed to kiss. Women and girls kiss each other all the time, of course, not french kissing, but still. Allow your children to learn about the good things in life.
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#12 Posted : Monday, July 18, 2011 6:45:43 PM(UTC)
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I got "married" at the age of 4 - my best friend (a boy) and I had a whole ceremony, his mom was the "priest". It was great fun and, yes, we kissed when the "priest" said "you may kiss the bride". It was a wonderful, innocent, beautiful occasion and, believe it or not, almost 40 years later we still talk about it with a smile and a sigh (the sigh being for the fact that we are now grown-up and miss those innocent days). I am still friends with my "first husband" and my real husband finds the whole thing quite amusing. Please, please don't put adult thoughts into children's heads. They are totally innocent until an adult comes along to mess up their heads. They were two little girls kissing. NO BIG DEAL! Assuming, of course, that you have given us the whole story!
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#13 Posted : Wednesday, July 20, 2011 8:24:56 AM(UTC)
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I think you just just be careful and observe them if they continue like this, especially as they get older.

Same thing happened to my cousin and a friend years ago, and everyone was like "awww, cute" and all that, and now they are lesbians, much to the chagrin of their respective parents. If it worries you, do want to can to keep them straight, if it doesn't, then leave them. It's up to you.



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