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SPHAT
#1 Posted : Sunday, April 03, 2011 12:18:03 PM(UTC)
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Hi Guys,

I have a friend whose child refuses to go and visit her father for weekends and holidays, currently she is being forced to go by the mother as she is afraid of being prosecuted in accordance with the childrens act. This is a brilliant child but I am afraid she will suffer emotianal scars, or retaliate in future. The mother is very keen on helping the child but there is a high court order in place w.r.t. shared custody. As far as the hild goes she is 7 1/2 years old and when you ask her why she does not want to go, she just says because the are ugly people (physically she means), or that she misses her mom and "new dad" (the stepfather) or that she does not want to talk about it. My understanding is that her father once said to the mother that she is his child and he does not care if she screams and kicks the whole weekend she will go with him and visit him. I am sure there is a way to reduce the custody agreement or something as the fathers will is overpowering the mother to give in and in the end the child is suffering. The child wishes this guy is dead. What can I suggest to the mother please advise.
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#2 Posted : Monday, April 04, 2011 11:40:10 AM(UTC)
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It amazes me that this question gets asked and that the mother feels she is making her daughter visit her father for fear of prosecution. She should be doing it because she wants to be a good mother. Part of being a good mother is teaching the child right from wrong and fostering good relationships. The relationship that children have with both the dad and the mother is critical for her upbringing.

Get the child and the parents to see a good child psychologist to work on these problems and to find long-term solutions. Until then, it is the mother’s responsibility to ensure that her daughter visits her father. By allowing the child to make the rules and decide what she wants to do is the problem and ultimately this is what will cause her to suffer in the long-term.

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#5 Posted : Monday, April 04, 2011 12:17:16 PM(UTC)
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Well said. Firstly, whilst one can understand your concern for your friend and there is nothing wrong to advise her. The ultimate decision lies with the mother and is not your decision.
I was going to suggest as well that the child should see a good child psychologist to determine what the problem is. No matter how good the step-dad may be, it is not her real father and will never be. I believe firmly that the child should have both parents in their life. As it is the situation is very difficult for a child and it should be made as normal as possible. What goes on at home, not even you would know. Children pick up everything and often interpret things they have heard incorrectly. Is the mother and the step father speaking negatively about the father in front of her or where she can hear these things etc. and now she associates it as a bad thing etc.
Remember, there are always two sides to a story and both sides need to be considered.
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#6 Posted : Monday, April 04, 2011 12:35:51 PM(UTC)
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I agree that the mother should try and encourage visits to the father, but it does seem as though there might be more to the matter than is being "reported". The child's reason, that "they are ugly" seems rather glib and should probably be examined more deeply. I don't think it's a question of allowing a 7 year old to "make the rules". Alas, too many separated parents use the children as weapons, and this may well be the case here, but with so little evidence one cannot make a judgement call. The child needs to be interviewed in depth, preferably by a social worker and/or psychologist. I would suggest a social worker, as that would also allow for inverstigation of the circumstances at the father's place.
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#3 Posted : Monday, April 04, 2011 12:40:23 PM(UTC)
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As apposed to serial numbers reply, the only part they got right was the see a social worker part, in terms of the law you are legally obliged to honor any court order in regards to visitation as long as such order does not violate the democratic rights of the minor, HOWEVER, if the child does not want to see her/his father you need to contact your attorney and or child service case worker and notify them of the situation. The case worker will have an interview with the child and if there are concerns as to the welfare of the child whether physical or mental, the social worker will either stop visitation or enforce supervised visits with the father. The law is very specific in its wording which places the welfare of the child above that of the parents. if welfare decides it is not in the child's best interest to see the father, he will still be responsible for maintenance. the same apply in situation where the father/ mother bad mouths the other parent during visitation which is also valid grounds for having visitation rights overturned.

Contrary to popular belief both parents are NOT required to ensure well balance children, and studies in fact show that where a parent is not up to scratch is is in the best interests of the child to terminate contact with that parent.

I as a man won full custody of my three daughters, all of who refused to visit or have any communication with their mother, their refusal to visit her was upheld by the court as their personal right ( my youngest daughter was four at the time)and they only started to visit her when they were in their teens.
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#4 Posted : Monday, April 04, 2011 2:35:45 PM(UTC)
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Well, I know for a fact that he mother and stepfather does not bad mouth the father as they would like to make it as easy as possible for the child to go and visit, they are even considering rewarding the child to go, but are afraid to as they have no certainty of what is happening on the other side, they also suspects the father picks up the child on a friday evening and drops her off at his mothers place and picks her up again on Sunday, the Fathers mother call the child names like "plank" and "moegoe". The child also does not bath when she is there resluting in her having a rash on her privates when she returnes on Sundays. Maybe I should have been more clear on this with the initial post. I do however agree with all of you and only want to advise and not try to change anything. As far as the stepfather is conserned he is very supportive but limits his interactions due to all the nagative stigmas there is out there w.r.t influencing children etc. He says that he is there to make up for the fun things she is losing out on and to ensure she is being treated fairly by everyone. He even warned his family that he will write them off if they do not fully accept this little girl as it must be bad enough for her growing up in a broken home. Sure he has his faults as well , as he pushes her to perform acedemically and places pressure on her in this regard.
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#7 Posted : Monday, April 04, 2011 2:56:29 PM(UTC)
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No matter how good the step-dad may be, it is not her real father and will never be.

I assume you are in a similar position to make such comments??

I agree that she needs to visit her biological father.

Just a reminder to people out there not in a similar situation, first of all the word "step father" is one of the ugliest descriptions out there secondly, and I'm not saying it's the case here but being the biological father doesn't make you a parent or a father.......otherwis a sperm donor should have the same rights as any other parent.

I married my wife when her daughter was 1 and a half years old, so basically according to you I am not her father??? A father is the caring person who provides and cares for his children (adopted/from a previous marriage/own) and it's not determined by biology!
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#8 Posted : Monday, April 04, 2011 8:11:54 PM(UTC)
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Hello All,

I have read everyone's comments and suggestions with care!

What does one do if after a number of therapists and 9 years of divorce a therapist has indicated that Parent Alienation is playing a part in the fact that your children, aged 8 and 11, do not want to see you?

She has told me that as of the 1st of April 2010, Parent Alienation is now considered a Criminal Offence and that the parent found guilty of doing this may be prosecuted as this is constituted as Emotional Child Abuse.

I am awaiting feedback from the Forensic Psychiatrist which will take place tomorrow afternoon as to where my children are emotionally. I have read up on all the information that I can lay my hands on and am seeing the old therapist for insight and assistance on how to deal with my ex-husbands' personality type but I still feel so helpless and the situation is soul destroying for me and do not want to think of the emotional / phychological implications that this will have on my children's future relationships.
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#10 Posted : Tuesday, April 05, 2011 11:09:52 AM(UTC)
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I totally disagree with the fact that childre need both parent to function well in life. I have been a single mother to my teenage daughter basically since she was born. I do know know where her father is as he decided long ago that he does not want to be part of his child's life. My daughte is a well grounded, well balanced, respoectful and intelligent child and we have so much fun together. Even if her father comes back into the picture and wants to see her, I will leave it totally up to my daughter to decide if she wants to or not.

Forcing a child to see a parent is not right. No one know how she is treated when she is at her visits and a lot of factors must be considered besides the fact that she is her father. It does not make sense to me and I will not let my child go through that. I would present the case to a social worker and at least settle for csupervised visits if it comes to that.
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#9 Posted : Tuesday, April 05, 2011 12:19:58 PM(UTC)
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I agree with Deon-M on this one. I am a single mother of a 6 year old daughter. Her father never took any interest in his daughter's life from birth and all of a sudden felt the need to run to court & family advocates last year because he realised that he needs his child to be part of his life last year and decided to fight for parental rights and access to her. Fair enough i never kept him from her and he was always welcome to see her but he chose not to. He still doesnt see her after all the running to court last year. My daughter also refuses to visit him and I have to "force" her when the need arises for him to see her. I totally believe that a child should have BOTH parents in their lives but we need to find out why the child doesnt want to visit the other parent. There's obviously a problem. Being a parent DOESN'T mean you're a mother or father. Anyone can have children but it takes a MAN to stand up and be a father. Whether he's a step-father or not.
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#11 Posted : Tuesday, April 05, 2011 2:14:24 PM(UTC)
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Hmmm I don't think the child should be forced to see the father because I mean maybe just maybe the child has a good reason like in my case my baby's father last saw her in 2008 October. I never call him and ask him about it,if he choose not to see his child-then it's fine by me.I will take the responsibility once my girl is old enough to understand but as for now-My girl and I very happy together.
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#12 Posted : Tuesday, April 05, 2011 3:33:36 PM(UTC)
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My child is now 11 and since our divorce when she was 6. I have never prevented her fathers contact with her, he made the decision to only see her every second Sunday and only with other people in attendance, no one on one time with his little girl at all.
I have tried psychologists, family advocate, attorneys and advocates and still no one can compel this man to pay is maintenance on time or to take any more interest than he does.
She does not want to visit him, "he never does anything except lie on the couch and watch TV" He does not comment on her wonderful school reports or any of the things that she tries to talk to him about. She no longer speaks to him and I have to compel her to go until she is able to tell him herself that she won't go. Then the police can come (and he will try to enforce the agreement, believe me) and as long as she tells them that it is her own free will then they cannot force her to go.
And yes the police have already been to my house, when I asked him to fetch her an hour later so that she could attend Sunday School. They were prepared to arrest me in front of my child and make her go with him!!!!!
So you see sometimes we have to "force" our children to go, where we can't prove neglect or any horrible act committed, the fact that the child just does not want to go is not good enough.
He wants her because he can, and we can do nothing to stop it.
And for the record, not all of us Mums are trying to "get back" at or alienate our exes.

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#13 Posted : Thursday, May 05, 2011 11:15:03 AM(UTC)
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shazdart wrote:
My child is now 11 and since our divorce when she was 6. I have never prevented her fathers contact with her, he made the decision to only see her every second Sunday and only with other people in attendance, no one on one time with his little girl at all.
I have tried psychologists, family advocate, attorneys and advocates and still no one can compel this man to pay is maintenance on time or to take any more interest than he does.
She does not want to visit him, "he never does anything except lie on the couch and watch TV" He does not comment on her wonderful school reports or any of the things that she tries to talk to him about. She no longer speaks to him and I have to compel her to go until she is able to tell him herself that she won't go. Then the police can come (and he will try to enforce the agreement, believe me) and as long as she tells them that it is her own free will then they cannot force her to go.
And yes the police have already been to my house, when I asked him to fetch her an hour later so that she could attend Sunday School. They were prepared to arrest me in front of my child and make her go with him!!!!!
So you see sometimes we have to "force" our children to go, where we can't prove neglect or any horrible act committed, the fact that the child just does not want to go is not good enough.
He wants her because he can, and we can do nothing to stop it.
And for the record, not all of us Mums are trying to "get back" at or alienate our exes.




women such as you are the women men should far away from. The day will come when men will wake and see that most divorced women are just like and just like they exes.
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#14 Posted : Thursday, May 05, 2011 2:50:05 PM(UTC)
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@allnet I would not normally respond to comments like yours as it is quite obvious you are in a lot of pain and are very bitter about your divorce and ex. These forums are provided for people to have contact with others in similar circumstances and to get advice and help from those who have "been there and done that". This is not a forum for running down or generalisation.
Without knowing me or reading the post that I did, had you done that it would have been obvious, I would have thought that I am not in anyway, shape or form trying to "con" my ex, all I want is for him to have a relationship with his daughter.
How dare you classify me or any other woman here in the same boat as your ex, if indeed she is a terrible person, we only have your comments at the bottom of others posts to go on as you have never presented your own story here.
I would suggest that some counselling would be of benefit to you.
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#15 Posted : Thursday, May 05, 2011 4:53:09 PM(UTC)
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Hi there, I had pretty much the same problem. My daughter had just turned 4 at the time. We were separated since she was 18 months. I eventually couldn't handle it anymore. I went to see the social worker. She did an assessment on my daughter, during this time all access and contact was halted. During the assessment we found out that my daughter was molested (according to the law, it is raped as her penetrated her with his finger) by her father at the age of 22months. She never said anything to anyone as she was been manipulated and threatened by him. I opened a case against him very quickly. The social worker also gave a letter stating that there was to be no access or contact during the assessment, and the court can't do anything to change it as it is in the best interest of the child. Also if the mother pays all the social workers costs, the social worker is not obligated to provide the father with information asto where the assessment is going - which was the option that I took. At least by seeing a social worker, one would be ruling out sexual abuse. I must say that I found a social worker much more helpful to my situation than the two phsychologists that I went to. If I could do everything over again, I wouldn'tgo to the psychologists, only the social worker. Social workers are also a lot cheaper than phsychologists.
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