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Shera
#1 Posted : Tuesday, May 17, 2011 2:53:25 PM(UTC)
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I would like to enquire from other parents out there, and hopefully get some advice on my current situation. I have been dating my boyfriend for a few months and moved in with him about two months ago. Shortly after moving in we found out that his ex girlfriend was pregnant with his child.
It would appear that she is convinced that I stole him from her.

Never-the-less she had the baby last week which has been really difficult for me to deal with but my boyfriend and I are doing our best to get through this together.

I have discussed with him whether he would get back together with his daughters mother if I were not in the picture and he is certain that he wants nothing to do with her. He is however, doing the right thing in terms of his repsonsibility to his daughter and wants very much to be a part of her life.

Unfortunately, that means that he is constantly with his ex as she will not let me see their daughter, not even under her supervision. He is desperate for me to see his daughter and to also be a part of her life. She has made it clear to him that I will never see 'her' child - ever and that he can only see his daughter at her house, alone.

The mother is not breastfeeding and I have three nieces which I have baby sat from birth so I am very comfortable that him and I will be able to care for her when she is with us. Basically what I am wanting to know is at what age would it be appropriate for the father to take is daughter 'out' for a few hours?
Alex Cowling
#2 Posted : Tuesday, May 17, 2011 4:31:19 PM(UTC)
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Hi Shera,

First off- congrats on becoming a semi-step-mommy! There is nothing better—I have two step kids and none of my own but they completely rock my world!

First off your boyfriend is just as much of a parent as the mom. They share rights in terms of the child if he does the following (“new” children’s act 2005);
1) Admits he is the father (in other words doesn't deny the fact that he is the dad)
2) Pays maintenance
3) and plays active role in the child's life

In other words—he needs to keep going!

She doesn't have the right to dictate all the decision making, the dad is also allowed to call the shots. She is going to leave she child with people at some point that your boyfriend isn’t going to approve of, and equally he is allowed to do the same. Legally…

But here’s the important part, if you’re putting the kid first every time then you’re safe, this includes special dad time and setting an example of a stable “mommy/daddy” dynamic.

Your boyfriend needs to start exercising his rights now and PUT THEM IN WRITING (parenting plan), because before you know it she’ll start using the standard arguments against your boyfriend; “She doesn’t know you”, “She’s scared of you”, “She only trusts me”, “We can’t disrupt her routine” and other excuses.

Good luck!
Robi 'Ryka' Addinall
#3 Posted : Thursday, May 19, 2011 11:22:15 AM(UTC)
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Hi Shera

Well done for remaining level-headed and keeping a clear head.

I hope things work out.
Shera
#4 Posted : Thursday, May 19, 2011 12:58:31 PM(UTC)
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Thanks Robi and Alex.
New development - The mother has just phoned by boyfriend advising that she will be registering their daughter with her surname unless he signs an affidavit confirming that I will never have any contact with their daughter. What right does this woman have to dictate to him? I have done nothing to this woman besides have her ex fall in love with me and what she doesn't understand is that nothing is going to change between them even if I am not in the picture. How do you get through to someone like this?
static
#5 Posted : Friday, May 20, 2011 6:00:23 PM(UTC)
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if you have no intention of marrying the boyfriend then stay out of it, otherwise it seems you are doing this simply for your own vanity and in the end it will be the child that suffers the most
banie.joubert
#7 Posted : Saturday, May 21, 2011 6:28:53 PM(UTC)
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static wrote:
if you have no intention of marrying the boyfriend then stay out of it, otherwise it seems you are doing this simply for your own vanity and in the end it will be the child that suffers the most


I would have to agree with Static. Remember that it is not your child, you have no rights over it and can not expect any. As unreasonable as the ex is, its her child.

As for your boyfriend, he should obtain legal advise as to what his rights are. He can also find out if its unreasonable for he to dictate to him what to do. But remember, he has rights in this, you don't.

And as distasteful as it is, he should ask for a paternity test. Its better to make 100% sure now that he is the farther now and avoid further drama later.

Lastly I would also ask why you would want to see the child? Surely it would be in your best interest to stay away from the ex as far as possible, and seeing the child and the ex would go hand in hand.
artpaper
#6 Posted : Saturday, May 21, 2011 11:06:21 PM(UTC)
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static wrote:
if you have no intention of marrying the boyfriend then stay out of it, otherwise it seems you are doing this simply for your own vanity and in the end it will be the child that suffers the most




Yes, stay out of it. The Mother has all the rights over the child. The Father must be involved in his child's life. And as you are no blood relative you have no say in the matter.

In fact the best thing you can do is just smile sweetly at her if you should come into contact with her.
After all she has all the troubles and you have the man.
twolips
#9 Posted : Saturday, May 21, 2011 11:17:58 PM(UTC)
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I agree with static. Stay out of it. You don't mention your ages, but I assume you're still young. The mother of the child has more rights than you have and the matter is between her and the child's father.
Benzo
#10 Posted : Saturday, May 21, 2011 11:49:16 PM(UTC)
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if he is your todays partner, stay out of it untill he is commited
damaria.senne
#8 Posted : Sunday, May 22, 2011 1:16:04 PM(UTC)
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Hi

While I can sympathise, the facts are:
1. You're not married to the guy and you're not the child's stepmother. So she is within her rights to refuse you access.
2. It sounds like there's already a lot of bad blood between you and her. As someone said, if you plan to marry the guy, stay out of the situation. Your boyfriend will have to work out his parental access issue with his ex-girlfriend, and if she dislikes you and feels that you are interfering with her life ( and that child is a big aspect of it and since and she are neither family or friends and you don't have rights to her life), she may very well refuse him to spite you. And he won't thank you for it.
3. Your boyfriend is not married to his ex. Therefore, she is within her rights to register her child with her own name.
4. It sounds like the ex is willing to use her child as a weapon against your ex. that battle may go on until the child is an adult. Plan for the long term and stop reacting to the short-term. Even if the child is registered in the ex's name, over the years, her anger may soften and there'll be better relations. If you don't mess things up by demanding that you be granted rights now.
Alex Cowling
#11 Posted : Monday, May 23, 2011 12:00:16 AM(UTC)
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Hey Shera,

It’s me again. Don’t listen to these people, you need to familiarize yourself with the law and make sure you’re on the right side of it. Kids end up disowning both their parents when they find out neither of them were mature enough to work things out and if you’re considering a future with this man; you need to know that it’s very hard to live with someone who is losing or lost their child.

banie.joubert wrote:
As for your boyfriend, he should obtain legal advise as to what his rights are.


Don’t take everything you hear for a lawyer as gold. We wasted a year and a half until I decided to read the children’s act and found out our lawyer was lying point blank to our faces or he just didn’t know how to do his own job. So as I said before, educate yourself. Doesn’t hurt.

Artpaper wrote:
The Mother has all the rights over the child.


This is a just an uneducated statement! As you’ll see in my previous post that your boyfriend and the mother share equal rights according to section 21 of the Children’s Act.

twolips wrote:
You don't mention your ages, but I assume you're still young.


Your age has nothing to do with it. I’m 10 years younger than my husband and I’m currently playing the role as mediator between his sons’ mother and my husband and they’re thanking me for getting them to work together. So don’t let statements like this get you down.

damaria.senne wrote:
So she is within her rights to refuse you access.


She doesn’t actually. If the father exercised he’s rights, he would be allowed to decide on who he exposes the child to. The only thing she can do to counter that is if she has proof you are involved in anything illegal.

damaria.senne wrote:
Your boyfriend is not married to his ex. Therefore, she is within her rights to register her child with her own name.


This is also incorrect because he has just as much rights as her. If they disagree on this they have to attend mediation.

Be strong!
Shazzie
#12 Posted : Tuesday, May 24, 2011 2:54:25 PM(UTC)
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AlexCowling wrote:
Hey Shera,

It’s me again. Don’t listen to these people, you need to familiarize yourself with the law and make sure you’re on the right side of it. Kids end up disowning both their parents when they find out neither of them were mature enough to work things out and if you’re considering a future with this man; you need to know that it’s very hard to live with someone who is losing or lost their child.

banie.joubert wrote:
As for your boyfriend, he should obtain legal advise as to what his rights are.


Don’t take everything you hear for a lawyer as gold. We wasted a year and a half until I decided to read the children’s act and found out our lawyer was lying point blank to our faces or he just didn’t know how to do his own job. So as I said before, educate yourself. Doesn’t hurt.

Artpaper wrote:
The Mother has all the rights over the child.


This is a just an uneducated statement! As you’ll see in my previous post that your boyfriend and the mother share equal rights according to section 21 of the Children’s Act.

twolips wrote:
You don't mention your ages, but I assume you're still young.


Your age has nothing to do with it. I’m 10 years younger than my husband and I’m currently playing the role as mediator between his sons’ mother and my husband and they’re thanking me for getting them to work together. So don’t let statements like this get you down.

damaria.senne wrote:
So she is within her rights to refuse you access.


She doesn’t actually. If the father exercised he’s rights, he would be allowed to decide on who he exposes the child to. The only thing she can do to counter that is if she has proof you are involved in anything illegal.

damaria.senne wrote:
Your boyfriend is not married to his ex. Therefore, she is within her rights to register her child with her own name.


This is also incorrect because he has just as much rights as her. If they disagree on this they have to attend mediation.

Be strong!



Alex I do understand that you are trying your very best to help those who are or may become step-mommies and I applaud your commitment to your husband and his family BUT..

When I had issues with my ex's live in partner who also happened to be the mother of my step daughter who was basically raised by me from age 5 until she was 10, I was told by the family advocate and the psychologist that the first and most important relationship is between the child and her father and that the "girl-friend' should step back and allow that relationship the chance to develop.
She wouldn't and now we have a situation where my child only sees her father every second Sunday, he is allowed no further contact with his child. That is what a live in girlfriend/partner is capable of doing.

I am not suggesting for one moment that Shera would be this jealous and vindictive but she should allow her boyfriend to first gain the baby's mothers trust before they start demanding things.
Hormonally the mother is probably still very wobbly after the birth, it can take up to a year for a woman to gain equilibrium again and that should be taken into account too. I am sure that the mother, if she genuinely has the baby's best interest at heart will not deprive the father of his child.
The bond between the father and the child must be allowed to develop without interference or hinderance from anyone.

It might be a good idea for Shera and her boyfriend to consult a child psychologist for some adivce, I certainly don't think that anyone who is emotionally involved should be a mediator.

I do hope that good sense and love will prevail in this case.
Shera
#13 Posted : Tuesday, May 24, 2011 3:43:53 PM(UTC)
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Hi Shazzie
Thanks for your post.
I totally agree that it is very important for the father to bond with his daughter and that is exactly what we are trying to achieve here.
Did you insist that the live in girlfriend, in your situation, was not allowed and would never have any contact with your child?
Shazzie
#14 Posted : Tuesday, May 24, 2011 4:45:10 PM(UTC)
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Hi Shera, no I have never insisted that she should never have contact with our child, that would be absurd as at some point she would have to get used to the idea that her dad was with someone else. My only stipulation was that our daughter should have some one on one time with her dad for the first couple of visits or so, but the new lady would not allow that.
I have to add that I was the one who more or less brought up this woman's daughter, very complicated situation but basically my ex went back to his ex girlfriend M after we were divorced, but I in fact found out that they had been seeing one another for the whole 6 years of our marriage on and off.
Even knowing that I would never have stopped my ex from seeing his child, he is the one who could not stand up for her and say that no one was going to lay down the law to him when he could and couldn't see her.
I genuinely hope and pray that this works out for you all, and that this mother does not carry out her threat of keeping your boyfriends child away from him. Lots of luck and much happiness to you all.
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