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W Wallace
#1 Posted : Tuesday, October 11, 2011 4:13:12 PM(UTC)
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Hi,

I am at my wits end! My wife's daughters from her first marriage used to live with their father, their choice. In Dec 2009 they decided they wanted to live with us. I did not have a problem with it as I knew it would happen someday when the girls got older.

Shortly after they moved in the horror stories came out and we obtained a temporary Child Protection Order against the father. A year later he had to give reasons in court why the Order should not become permanent. He did not even show up. It broke my heart telling them. He has to date not contributed one cent to anything.

The problem is that they had unlimited freedom when living with him. In my house there are rules but these rules are deemed too strict.

At first things were going well, they kids were on their best behaviour and all was just swell. Then, slowly but surely there was resistance to the rules. They could not get used to the, in my opinion, normal rules for teenagers.

The rules:
No friends during the week, i.e. straight home after school or after sport.
Cellphones to be switched off at 20:00 in the week and 22:00 over weekends.
Everyone bathed and ready for dinner at 18:00 in the week.
Telephone numbers and addresses of people visited before leaving the house.
No one leaves the house if their rooms are not tidy.
Clean up after yourself in the bathrooms, etc, etc.

As a result, we've had MANY fights, (the kids, me and the wife), my marriage is taking strain as this is the only thing we fight about and I have actually had enough...

The 14 year old has stolen a BlackBerry from a friend, she has gone from an A-candidate in the first quarter to failing 90% of her subjects in the second quarter. She has gone to an "Under-18's party" at a nightclub and only returned 11:15 the NEXT day with her 21 year old boyfriend... She and her friends managed to finish bottles of hard liquor in my house, smoking and just ignoring the maid who is really trying to keep order in the house. She is forever scratching in my bathroom and bedroom to the extent that I have to lock away my toiletries, socks, etc.

The 12 year old has been caught at school with a bottle of Tequila and a bottle of Snapps. She has kicked a boy in the groin so badly that he had to be taken to a doctor. She lies about EVERYTHING. She cannot control her appetite and will finish a bottle of syrup, honey, cheese spread or Nesquick on her own, in one evening.

We have another three daughters in the house (3, 5 and 7), my wife's and mine and I just feel the example being set in sooo wrong.

They have been for therapy. I have given them the benefit of the doubt so many times but it just feels like my efforts are thrown in my face...

We have tried and tried to make contact with a social worker but have had NO joy. They just never ever call you back.

I do not know what to do anymore. I want them out of my house.
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, October 12, 2011 9:23:36 AM(UTC)
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In your introduction you say 'the horror stories came out'. I can only assume that these were traumatic and possibly part of the root of the problem. Does the school not have counselor? While your rules are perfectly normal for a 'regular' family, it may be that they aren't helping the situation with these difficult kids.

You have my sympathy, but it sounds bigger than you, and small adjustments might not work. Despite your doubts about social workers, the problem will need professional input from a therapist.

The problem isn't one of discipline, so much as that they are becoming a danger to themselves and their peers, in my opinion. I hope you find a solution which doesn't involve total estrangement.
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:55:57 AM(UTC)
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With those ridiculous rules I'm not surprised.
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, October 12, 2011 11:08:53 AM(UTC)
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So where is the mother in all this? First and foremost they are her responsibility. It's time to sit them down and explain the cold, hard facts of life. Tough love might hurt at first but without it, they will fail on a grand and biblical scale, bringing the rest of the family down with them. If they still refuse, well, there's always Girls Town.
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, October 12, 2011 11:34:09 AM(UTC)
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Hi

I know that you are at wits end but perhaps you need to find other rules.

For example your wife's girls are older than the others and unfortunately socializing plays a big role to them at that age. Might a suggest that if they get their grades up or complete a chore (task) well that you allow them the bonus of bring a friend home from school to visit. The condition is that the moment they don't do well that that privilege will be taken away. I agree that the 12 year old's phone should turn her phone of at 8. But may a suggest that the older on be allowed to keep her phone on for an additional half hour, she is the oldest and the result of having the same rules applying to her as the younger ones is a bit unfair. Adapt the rules as they grow up. It shows that you are giving them some more responsibility for their age and some freedom to go with it. Again should something not be done, that take it away (much like grounding) for 2 weeks or so.
Although rules are good they need to adapt to the age of the child.

This may also have something to do with their father. Perhaps something they haven't told you guys. Maybe a psychologist is needed?
#6 Posted : Wednesday, October 12, 2011 11:37:32 AM(UTC)
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Hopefully your wife is supportive in your rules and the punishment you want to deal out to the 2 girls or you will be in the same boat as myself. Trying to keep order with rules and punishments are just causing your wife to stand behind her daughters and actually approve the behavior or disapprove of the punishment you want to deal out as your wife isn't doing anything.

Take away cellphones, no TV, grounded for a month ect should help keep them out of the external bad influences so this can be sorted out but if your wife doesn't support you with this then you are on the divorce path.

I have a 10 year old step daughter who is luckily not on that path yet but has 0 respect for her mom or myself, if she has to be punished I have to do it and what ever I do my wife will turn against me and take her daughters side (even when her daughter hits my wife, "it's only a little bump"). My 14 year old stepson has less problems but treats his mom like a piece of crap, slips school, does really bad at school and I constantly have to speak to him about this and when I again do or try to punish him by taking away his cellphone ect I get blasted by my wife.

They never try this at their father as he doesn't take the crap and he and his new wife are together in rules and punishment.

This is also rubbing off on our 3 year old daughter as she sees how the other kids are allowed to speak to their parents and then sees her mother swear and shout at her father. Now this happens 3-5 times a WEEK. We are on the verge of divorce because of this.

So hopefully you can get you wife in the same boat as you and stand as one or there is no hope left.
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#7 Posted : Wednesday, October 12, 2011 11:47:09 AM(UTC)
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The rules are not unreasonable, but they are strict and in some cases more appropriate to the younger children than the older ones. If the girls are not used to rules then it is going to be difficult for them to suddenly adjust to very strict rules, especially when the rule is seemingly arbitrary (bathed and ready for dinner by 6pm?). Their behaviour seems to be classic rebellion against perceived unreasonable authoritarianism. I think it would be appropriate to demonstrate some flexibility and negotiate the rules. It is reasonable to ban hard liquor outright, for example, but I think that a 14 year old should be permitted to choose her own bathtime!

I'm not sure what "horror stories" you refer to, but the apparent abandonment of the girls by their father is enough reason for them both to be receiving counselling, and some of the behavioural issues might relate to these underlying issues. Alcohol problems, for example, are exceptionally prevalent among girls who are subjected to sexual abuse, and these types of issues must be resolved by trained professionals - house rules are not enough.
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#8 Posted : Wednesday, October 12, 2011 12:00:57 PM(UTC)
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Everybody bathed and ready for dinner at 18:00??? I'll also freak out at that, totally ridiculous. In general, your rules suck.
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#9 Posted : Wednesday, October 12, 2011 12:11:13 PM(UTC)
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Having a mixed family myself with a teenage daughter from my wife's previous relationship i can tell you straight up that you in for a rough ride.

Although you rightly feel that because its your house you can unilaterally make the rules, and you can, but including the teenagers in the process of setting the rules will make them feel like they matter and will increase the likelihood of them actually sticking to the rules.
You retain veto rights but this right should be used sparingly and in consultation with your wife.

I am actually going to adopt the after 20:00 cell phone silence during the week but maybe give a little leeway over weekends.

You cannot treat a teenager like a baby by expecting them to be bath by 18:00 in evening - Sure fire recipe for disaster over essentially a non issue.

Also i do not see why they should have no contact with friends in your home at all unless the rule came about because of the drinking and smoking incidents.

Communication as with most things is the key, more so with mixed families as the bond between father and daughter has not developed naturally over the years. You as the father figure need to be composed at ALL times, clearly articulating your stand point...this often requires a ten minute thinking break for yourself. You need to understand what it is you are actually angry about and bring your point across calmly but firmly.

The rules should be enforced strictly with any infraction punished with the removal of privileges ie. removal cellphones,tv time, internet access, etc... but any good behavior such as good grades should also be rewarded with an increase in allowance, bonus, New dress or shoes , little more leeway with regards to rules,they are teenagers so the list is practically endless.

Lastly Because you love your wife you implicitly love these kids as they are an extension of your wife, you cannot deny their existence or wish them away.

I have a tribal council every Monday where immunity is granted for when any member of my family wishes to express their feelings... It could often be painful to hear but it gets easier and it gives an opportunity to address the issues.

Do get help, Continue to search for help...You are on the right track! Goodluck man and HAPPY parenting :)
Woman
#10 Posted : Wednesday, October 12, 2011 12:13:59 PM(UTC)
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Hi there, You need help! You certainly need to have a few sessions with a counselor. They charge from R250 an hour. As a mediator, this person will help you communicate and assist with drawing up plans. I know it costs money, but really, just think of the difference the help of an outside objective view might bring.

The fact that your one daughter's marks dropped by so much, shows that she is in dire need of help. Your wife needs to step up. Once again, an objective outsider can help. When you married your wife, you knew she had children. In effect you married her and her children. A father is not made one by biology, but by the difference he makes in his children's life. If you cannot love these two the way you love your own, just imagine what kind of man you would like your own children to have as a male rolemodel. Then BE that man for your new daughters at least. What you are to them, is how they will view all men. You and their own dad, that's all they have.

Oh, and as for the 21-year old boyfriend - just have him arrested for statutory rape, he'll be history after that (and yes, she definitely is having sex with this man. A man who is 7 years her senior. Take charge and if your wife doesn't like it, then she can move out. (all) The children need responsible parents who do not balk at trouble.
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#11 Posted : Wednesday, October 12, 2011 3:12:23 PM(UTC)
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I have been in a very similar position as you! The difference was I had to handle a 16 year old boy with no support. I wish I could give you advise but I could not even help myself at the time!
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#12 Posted : Thursday, October 13, 2011 11:41:18 AM(UTC)
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Guys you all speak like all step kids are brats, i don't have great memories about my step father either. He is a dad from hell, someone who forgets that i have feelings and a head, and that have brains. It irritates me when they say step children dont listen but its your fault marry a girl who does not have a child,. Coz mos def your marriage your to my mum will end in another divorce, making your children someones step child u like a kid honestly bath before 6, when you 14 you know how to bath and when to bath. Most step dads treat yo It sucks to have some dude replace your father for starters and to have that man bost you around its not fair i fully understand if kids are rebellious,
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#13 Posted : Thursday, October 13, 2011 3:19:15 PM(UTC)
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Not all step kids are brats and not all step dads are horrible. Unfortunately we life in a world full off divorced people with kids...I am also one. The only difference is that how come things can go so wrong but it is always the parents that are a problem? I was not that strict with my stepson and at the end of the day I was still the wicket step mom...Maybe then it was me?
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