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#1 Posted : Tuesday, December 29, 2009 6:50:16 PM(UTC)
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My ex is working abroad and requested that his wife still picks our son up every second weekend and alternative holidays even if he is not in the country. I have agreed to this but feels that if his father can't be here with his our son's upcoming birthday he should rather stay with me than spending it with his step mom, even though his birthday falls on their weekend? I have informed his father about this and he has treatened me yet again with his lawyers, to use his words: "I have ways and means...." What is my rights as mother?
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, December 30, 2009 2:21:51 PM(UTC)
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As he is not seeing his son, it seems very strange that you have to send him to his stepmother. I would recommend getting a legal opinion on this - phone Lee Bennie's Legally Speaking show on Monday evening on Radio 702 and Cape Talk or SMS her on 31702
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, December 30, 2009 2:23:46 PM(UTC)
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Im sure that paternal rights are for the bilogical mother and father only, if he is not available to care for the child himself, then he should stay with you. I would let him consult a lawyer I dont think he will get it right
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, December 30, 2009 2:33:59 PM(UTC)
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Let him try his luck with a lawyer, rights are for biological parents, if he is not here for his weekend, tough cookie
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, December 30, 2009 3:27:45 PM(UTC)
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I agree with the other readers that the rights are for biological parents. And doesn't the kid get what they want for their birthday? I bet he would much rather be with you. Let the dad ask him. I wish you luck - I can feel the hurt in your post
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#6 Posted : Wednesday, December 30, 2009 4:12:04 PM(UTC)
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This father is intentionally continuing to hurt you through your child. For him the child is simply a means to an end, a weapon. The step-mother will have been brainwashed into supporting this behaviour, so she will be no help to you. The father's threats of legal action and 'ways and means' are typical of the psychologically abusive dynamic of your defunct relationship, he is addicted to it and will easily find a lawyer who will assist this type of abuse. Get legal advice. Good luck to you and your son
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#7 Posted : Wednesday, December 30, 2009 4:26:57 PM(UTC)
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if you agreed on visitation rights you must stick to them. the step mother is also part of the child s family and as you were sending the child to her even when the father was not there a bond has developed between them.
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#8 Posted : Wednesday, December 30, 2009 4:36:12 PM(UTC)
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What about maintaining the relationship with the new family? Just because she is not the biological mother, doesn't mean that there is no relationship there, or that maybe he wants to keep the routine in place so that when he is back, he gets given grief about never taking responsibility and not giving you enough time for you to have a break. As an aside, do you both not get together for the childs birthday anyway? Would this not apply for the day?
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#9 Posted : Wednesday, December 30, 2009 10:24:43 PM(UTC)
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I agree with the other readers. Your child is not a ball that can be sent backwards and forward nor is he/she a kitten or a puppy. Consult an attorney and good luck.
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#11 Posted : Thursday, December 31, 2009 1:28:11 AM(UTC)
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depending on how you get on with the new wife - why not discuss it with her.

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#12 Posted : Thursday, December 31, 2009 9:37:08 AM(UTC)
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Well, I think he is doing it to exert/maintain some control over you and that it has nothing to do with the child. He knows full well that you won't be happy (especially thinking of your child on his birthday which you are missing) which is what he wants. It has nothing to do with the welfare or wellbeing of his child. I really don't think that the step mother has rights over you!
Stand firm, think of your son and please don't let this man "psyche" you out.
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#13 Posted : Thursday, December 31, 2009 10:04:43 AM(UTC)
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.............how dare he?????

keep your child for his birthday let him go see his lawyers....
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#14 Posted : Thursday, December 31, 2009 11:27:50 AM(UTC)
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My ex tried to make it an order of the court that my children go to his partner on his weekend when he is out of town. I obviously fought it. It seem like you and I have a very similar situation, I am always being threatened with his attorney!
Stand up for your rights as their mom and fight, believe me, when you fight back they back off.
Needless to say, he changed the order - the court will never allow it! Step parents have no legal rights over the children at all!
All the best - don't allow him to intimidate you okay!!
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#15 Posted : Friday, January 01, 2010 12:14:42 PM(UTC)
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middle of a gory divorce myself. Had the children for Christmas and New Year. Friend at last nights party just 'surrendered' her kids to their dad when he turned up unsuspectedly at their house. Children(teenagers already) didn't want to go but dad threaten with lawyer etc etc. So now there were unhappy mom and unhappy children somewhere. Why are lots of divorced women letting their ex make their lives eve more miserable and not fight for their happiness. Mine are fortunately also teenagers who chose to stay with me. Even if they didn't I would not let them go, as he exposes them to bad influences. We are quite happy and the children are stable and wonderfull, as I just do not let a vindictive dad spoil our lives. But now every situation is obvioulsy diff with diff facts. Moms please if you can at all, stand up for your and your children's happiness.
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#16 Posted : Friday, January 01, 2010 12:30:02 PM(UTC)
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Reading it seems that MOST of the posts are from woman...giving typical answers. I am a father and have been fighting before and after my divorce to have access to our baby girl...even AFTER the papers were signed by the Magistrate the ex must be threatend with court action to enforce the divorce agreement to let me see her and I am gatvol of lawyers...it never ends. I keep my my end of the agreement in FULL, she, well.....

So as you can see, it works both ways here ladies, turing it into a "weapon" issue...playing games...etc...HOWEVER, the question is which many are missing, NOT WHAT IS GOOD FOR THE PARENTSd'oh! , but what is best for the CHILDBrick wall

So if your child is old enough, ask THEM what they want......don't force the issue like some are saying here by getting lawyers, refusing access...etc...these are just bitter replies which don't help the child.

If they not old enough then, you have the right to meet with the step mom as she is looking after YOUR child...and sort it out as best as you can....

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#17 Posted : Friday, January 01, 2010 5:07:34 PM(UTC)
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I understand that you would like to see your son on his birthday and perhaps you could discuss this with his step-mother but agree to let him keep the balance of the weekend with his step-mother.
My partner has a 4 year old he had to fight tooth and nail to see on a regular basis as his ex-wife is intent on using her daughter to hurt her ex. REGULAR contact with his new family is as important as the time he spends with you, especially if his step-mother loves him.
You should be thankful that his father loves his son enough to still want to see him regularly and that he has married someone who accepts your son.
My partner has never missed a maintenance payment, never missed a day with his daughter, has cancelled and/or rearranged overseas trips that occur over his weekends - I have too as I love my (soon to be) step daughter as my own. The childs mother constantly harasses us, lies, manipulates her daughter and tells her to lie. Whenever she wants to deny access she just claims the child is "sick". This happened again last night as she wanted her daughter to be present at a New Year party being held at her house. Our plans for the evening with the child had to be cancelled. Same thing happened on her birthday - this year was our turn to have her over on the day. All of a sudden the child is 'sick". Party had to be cancelled, cake thrown away etc.
We have already spent over R50 000 on lawyers fees and next year will be spending more as we cannot plan a single event with a child who loves her father and me as her mother changes her mind whenever she feels like it. This is money we cannot afford and could have been saved towards school fees, music lessons, horse-riding etc. This year we will not accept it - if it means she will be arrested and charged with a criminal offence for violating a court order, so be it. We have tried for 2 and a half years to be "nice". No more.
Many women - perhaps not you - do not think of what is best for their children but what is best for THEM. We have never said a bad word about the mother in front of this child, and no-one else is allowed to in our presence either. The mother on the other hand is always telling her daughter what a terrible person her father is.
All the women posting comments sound like they are just angry with their exes - not all men are creeps. Don't deny your children a healthy relationship with their fathers just because you are angry.
My sisters ex has paid maintenance once in almost 3 years, tells his son he will pick him up and then leaves him waiting, never attends nursery school events etc. Be glad that your husband cares about your son!
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#18 Posted : Saturday, January 02, 2010 12:02:15 PM(UTC)
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It is amazing reading all the posts and with an exception of the minority (most probably Mothers) saying stand up for your rights!!! Moms you have NO rights , you have a responsibility to your child.

Today the issue of "sole" custody does not exist both parets have a parenting responsibility.Not a single post above mentioned a parenting plan. With your permission i would like to relay my story!

I went through a messy divorce and althouh my access was (in my opinion not enough and hers too much) a workable solution with the childs best interest i encountered difficulties enforcing. My ex wife was given bad advice was "bitter" friends who did not care about the child, this resulted in many fights.The child had to go to play therapy etc. So who was the victim at the end of the day.

I decided to stop fighting little things , no use going to lawyers over a weekend etc and wait for an issue worth fighting over and one which the court would definately grant.

It didnt take long when i intended to visit family in the USA, My ex wife refused to grant permission citing no reasons only that it was her descision.

Now perhaps most readers here are unaware , the court is he childs ultimate guardian, and effectivly I took the descision making out of my ex's hand.

After the trip her and i sat down with a profesional and we drew up a parenting plan.

With respect to birthdays " irrespective of whose weekend or night is ( ie that falls by the wayside) the child will wake up with the one parent on the birthday and go to sleep with the other parent.

now doesnt that sound fair!!
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#19 Posted : Thursday, January 14, 2010 6:09:27 PM(UTC)
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I came across your website as I was surfing for some help and I have simpathy for all the mothers with the ex's and all the step mommies as I am both.

I’m in a situation where I am the mom of a 5 year old boy and a steph mom of a boy age 3. And let me tell you being on both ends is very difficult.

I use to give my ex wide access and visitation to our son but it got out of hand and my son developed some emotional problems due to his father involving him in the bitterness he feels towards me and my new husband. I stopped all extra time and is now keeping very strictly to court order of visitation of every alternative weekend. BUT still wants to change back IF it is in my son’s best interest.

Then being the steph mommy of a boy I just love, it will be gr8 if his mom can just c how much I love him. And yes I know I don't have any legal rights towards him.

So I can understand that the dad want his son to be by the "step mom" for his bithday but I also agree that sometimes sharing is the best.

Isnt that what we teach our children?
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#21 Posted : Tuesday, October 05, 2010 9:35:09 AM(UTC)
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I have been fighting for visitation along with my husband of 4yrs, against his girl friend, for his 9 yr old. for 4 years, and the judge has ordered me now for 6 months NO VISITATION with the minor, due to mothers reconnmendation, I dont know what kind of judge you have but doesnt sound good, sounds like he has quite a bit of money
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#22 Posted : Tuesday, October 05, 2010 11:58:34 AM(UTC)
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Ask ur ex to point out in the court order the part where it states that the child is to stay with the step-mother if he is not available to exercise his access.
If it's not there then there is very little he can do. Call his bluff. Your child needs to be wih his natural parent
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