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#23 Posted : Monday, January 04, 2010 7:04:00 PM(UTC)
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Come to think of it, R2300 is a hell of a lot of money. Stop screwing your ex, you are not married anymore.
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#24 Posted : Monday, January 04, 2010 7:28:03 PM(UTC)
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You all forget 1 question. How much time does the little one spend with you ?
I am paying R1700/m + all Medical costs + clothes and toys. My 5 year old spends at the very least 1/3 of the year with me. R1700*12 is for her mother to take care of her for 8 months of the year.
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#25 Posted : Monday, January 04, 2010 7:34:07 PM(UTC)
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Previous post of 20% max of your NETT is spot on....

I pay R2894 for a 19month old baby, and I cover 2/3 of her "education" and full medical and I STILL get crap from her mother to see her even thou it's set out in the divorce agreement so....you'll never pay enough in their eyes...;o)..20% is spot on.

Oh yes don't forget, the increase every year, think what you'll be paying when they are 18yrs old...Sick ..so do NOT over extend yourself......it's a long run...
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#26 Posted : Monday, January 04, 2010 11:06:42 PM(UTC)
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I've got 2 boys age 13 & 11 (to be this year) and I'm paying R5000 per month plus they on my medical...
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#27 Posted : Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:13:25 AM(UTC)
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Sister I do not know. But I know how much it costs to raise a child alone. The fundraising monies every week are a pain. I sympathise if that is not enough to you.

I didn't get maintenance in December. In November I got R300 for a 27month old daughter. Septermber and October only R99 Cuddlers kimbies. The father said he didn't have money even after the Department of Education had paid the increase and also didn't hesitate to tell me he paid those he owed. But guess what? He bought a new BMW (second hand) cash (R55000). The sisters told me. I pay the nanny R800.

Don't know whether to pray or curse.
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#28 Posted : Tuesday, January 05, 2010 1:22:01 AM(UTC)
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I have followed the discussion and as a non-custodian parent, I pay maintenance of R6750.00 for a 18 and 23 year old. I believe it is excessive, but in the interest of the children I pay. Gents, the kids did not play any part in split, in fact they are the victims of circumstance and let's just do what is right, with reasonability, of course.

If the courts have made an unfair assessment, then it is your responsiblity to prove that your expenses are authentic and not inflated, for them to recalculate the maintenance to be paid.
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#29 Posted : Tuesday, January 05, 2010 5:38:04 AM(UTC)
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20% of your NETT per child, or total maintenance?
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#30 Posted : Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:42:04 AM(UTC)
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Hi All

Yes child support is a difficult issue - I pay R 5000 for my son of 12. On top of that I pay all the medical bills(medical aid + anything needed- Discovery top option - used up after 8 months - you can buy creams and vitamins over the counter -so go for it). I also need to pay for air time for his cell phone as well as all the plane tickets to get him to me.

I don’t mind paying but I have to go to court to try and see him and have never had a call from him because mommy is still unhappy that I divorced her after het affairs - (6 years later) I get a little bit up set. That being said - please do not tell me a child cost more that R3500 a month - if you where still together he would still have cost the same.

The main thing here is to remember - the money is for the child and not for your Edgars account -
Secondly - and this is the difficult part - If you are considerate to each other and the child’s need - things go so much better. So Daddy’s - start paying on time and EVER MONTH - Mommy’s - remember - your are divorced - the money is for the little ones needs - not yours.

But that is a perfect world - we live in the real one - R3500 for a child is fair dependig on your income - R350 is not if you earn R12 000- - My advice - speak to the other party - If he/she is being a idiot go to court and hope you get somebody there that is sober and on song - or best of all able to understand. However that should be the last resort.
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#31 Posted : Tuesday, January 05, 2010 9:08:55 AM(UTC)
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I am a man and am Currently paying 17300 a month for my 2 boys that includes a car for the ex.. rent money schooling clothes pocket money for the boys after care food petrol insurance on the car its about exactly half my salary I give away each month in respect of maintenance. How did your ex's get away with paying so little ????
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#32 Posted : Tuesday, January 05, 2010 9:27:21 AM(UTC)
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you know, I am so annoyed with most of the comments up above!!!! How can people "count themselves lucky" to get maintenance... THAT IS JUST REDICULOUS, the ex spouse, be they male or female HAS to help look after their kid... So go out there and get it! Don't just sit be and be happy with a measly R450 for child... don't give up and don't let people make you give up like some of the comments above.. I have no idea what the going rate is for maintenance but it in my opinion it should be 50/50 of the house hold costs and then split school fees 50/50 per child.. that is the most correct way to do it. And if they don't pay, then they don't get access to the kids.... EVER...
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#33 Posted : Tuesday, January 05, 2010 9:43:55 AM(UTC)
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How then do you explain the R6000.00 I pay per month for a 3yr old? That means if you multiply that by 2, her expenses are R12000 a month. Is that possible?
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#34 Posted : Tuesday, January 05, 2010 9:57:27 AM(UTC)
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For 4 years (2 kids, 1 finished school already) I paid my ex's car (total cost every month was R4700), i paid ALL Medical. We had an arrangement that she would pay school fees. I paid half School stuff (Uniforms and stationary), all after school activities, had kids 10 to 12 days every month (almost half the month)I am the only one taking them on Holidays. This worked out to R3500 per child
I got blacklisted due to her not paying school fees (Government Gazette section 39, 40 and 41). I have been forced now to pay half the outstanding school fees. The law says that both biological parents are liable for school fees (or legal guardian).

So what is fair?

People assume that maintenance is on how much you earn, its on how much you can afford. Government Grants lessen school fees if you cannot afford it, but a trip to the courts is involved.
Mothers say groceries cost R2000 for the 2 kids, but its split between her and the 2 kids (she has to eat, but why must the ex pay for her food? She must cover half of what is left) . Rent is the same, lets say its R4000pm, then its R2000 for her and the kids its R1000 (father covers half of the remainder R2000).

Too many women use the money to survive and expect it as an extra income. I would gladly take my kids but she wont have it. The extra money comes in handy at the casino. I get called at 6pm to take kids, she is going out (drinking...gambling...who knows!!!)
Since this episode, I now pay half school fees and she is responsible for the rest.

I have 2 female friends who got screwed by the maintenance courts, because they go there with the intension of milking their ex for MORE...but the courts don't look at women as the weaker sex any longer.
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#35 Posted : Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:03:39 AM(UTC)
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My one year old father only pays R500 and this was a challenge to get as he offered R300.Our child is in creche that cost R550 and all the other expenses comes from you.If I ask for assistance for nappies this is a mission.Been to the court to and every time a financial enquiry is being postponed because he do not bring along his financial documents even after teh magistrate writes on the file should it happen again we continue with the case.However it happens every time.How convenient.Yet he can drive a Landrover and live in Pinelands Cape Town.How's that for you.That woman msut thank the Almighty
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#36 Posted : Tuesday, January 05, 2010 11:34:57 AM(UTC)
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also a divorcee, my ex pays R625, my son is 9. other than that he does nothing until i ask for kids clothes which is once in a year and it hardly comes out without a pep talk. after december bonus he gave him R300 gues that was for clothes, uniform and stationery. i guess i should be considering the fact that he has 2 kids in the 2nd marriage with also 1 wifes son from the prev marriage. nice hey...
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#37 Posted : Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:33:02 PM(UTC)
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My ex was buying the most expensive clothes that have designer labels instead of buying from Ackermans, I nearly fainted when I saw t-shirts costing R250 and jackets costing R500 each for a 2 year old (which become small in 5 months), the food she bought was for her whole household (not the child I am supporting) and who knows maybe some beers for her boyfriend too. The nursery was almost R3000 when there were better daycare centres costing R1800. By looking at what your ex spends on a child you could reduce your maintenance by up to 40% ; at the end it is all about AFFORDABILITY AND WHAT IS BEST FOR THE CHILD, if a child's cost of living is R5500/M and you earn R12,000/M and your ex R6000/M, it really doesn't mean you must pay R5500*(12k/18k)=R3666/M because at the end you have expenses to pay and also save for your future and your child's future, i.e. on R8336 leftover you will have to think of a roof over your heard and a car to drive to work (in today's prices a R6000 for a 2 bed house and all car expenses including fuel is not really much); at the end you'll have R2334 (rediculously small); you will also need to pay your own living expenses (R2000), including saving some money for some rainy day; the crux of the matter is that there is no future for your child if you pay high maintenance and fail to save for his/her future; RULE#1: at the end your monthly savings should be higher than the maintenance, savings provides security to keep paying maintenence and your other expenses should you stop working. Therefore a R3666 monthly maintenance vs R334 monthly saving will not be to your advantage; hence a -<R2000 maintenance and >R2000 saving will be a better option, but its advisable to have higher saving.
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#38 Posted : Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:38:36 PM(UTC)
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My 2 children are 8 years old & I've been getting R1600 for the past 2 years - and nothing extra. I struggle financially, but he doesn't give a hoot. Luckily I am in a relationship with a guy that sees my children as his own. If your ex an afford that amount, I would say that you should invest/save some of it for future purposes (education, etc). As for the courts, my faith was regained as the magistrate saw right through him (and also saw how he was trying to discredit & humiliate me). Just be patient and let him do the talking. If possible, find a lawyer that will take your case pro bono. That is what I did
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#39 Posted : Tuesday, January 05, 2010 1:03:48 PM(UTC)
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The issue of saving is very important than maintenance, today you need R215K to send your child to a good university, that is an average of R53,957 for a 4 year degree. In 18 Years you'll need about R1.2 million to pay for your children's tertiary education (That is equal to a saving of R2000/Month at 10% interest over 18 years); now if you continue paying higher maintenance and forget to save, you are screwed my dear friends, I think that should be emphasised in the maintenance court.
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#40 Posted : Tuesday, January 05, 2010 1:04:31 PM(UTC)
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My son will be 12 in March this year. His biological father lives in Dublin, Ireland. My maintenance is never on time and he sometimes only pays me 3 to 4 months down the line. I'm lucky to get R2000.00 per month, depending on what the exchange rate is like. My brother is paying R3800.00 for his 7 year old daughter!!
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#41 Posted : Tuesday, January 05, 2010 1:07:49 PM(UTC)
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I would say be thankful. I have a 10 yr old son and I get nothing and have not received monies for the past 5 years. It is easy to go to court (been there got the T-shirt 3 times) but there is nothing the court can do if he keeps absconding. I battle every month but we get through. I do feel for the fathers that pay and for those who do have full right to see their kids remember maintaince and seeing your kids are 2 separate issues. I would be lucky if my son sees his father once every 2 months but I still believe a child needs their fathers no matter what they can afford or not. For those who think paying R450/month is enough you clearly have no idea how much it takes to bring up a child. Remember the children did not divorce you!!
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#19 Posted : Tuesday, January 05, 2010 1:08:32 PM(UTC)
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Its sickening fact that when fathers leave their kids with ex-wives, the long knives come out, and the hatred he has for her is enacted on the children by refusing to pay, or paying too little maintenance to create a harder life for her.

I am a stepfather to 2 children, 11 and 9 years old - and thier father pays R1200 for BOTH of them per month, out of a salary that after tax is between R13-R16k per month. Luckily I am able to make sure that money is'nt an issue for my wife, and our family.

I do have sympathy for mothers who are divorced and fathers who try and screw the system to pay as little as possible.

According to Child Welfare/Child Advocates Office, the basic calculation is this:

Cost of Child * (Non-Custodial Parent Income / Combined Parent Income)

So, if a child costs R5600 per month, and the child is living with the mother and the father earns R12000 after tax and the Mother R6000 per month, then the calculation is:

R5600 * (R12000/R18000) = R5600 * 0.66 = R3733.33 per month

This is because the father earns almost double what the mother earns, and thus contributes more to the childs costs on a pro-rata basis.

Most non-custodial parents will buy expensive cars and rent/buy larger houses to try and show that thier costs exceed their means to pay an adequate amount. This runs both ways and their are many fathers out there who are also under this kind of duress from resentful ex-wives.

The only ones who suffer in the end are the children.



I am glad to see that one person has hit the nail on the head. These calculations are completely correct. I am currently going through a divorce and my ex is refusing to pay anything more than R500.00 per month, for my 16month old. Trust me, that's not even enough to put food on her plate each day. What do you mean, how can a child cost R4600.00 per month? Daycare/creche costs around R1500.00 per month, then it's medical aid, which is about R600.00 per month, if you are on a decent one, the roof over her head, for which the ex is also responsible, as it's his child too, clothing, food, diapers, milk, immunisations (yes, they can add up to quite a bit), the ex is also responsible for a small portion of the petrol costs, your telephone account, etc. all of which is considered to be part and parcel of sustaining a basic life for your child. How often don't we end up going to ER with the little ones, as they fall, etc. Yes, you might have a medical aid, but you still have an admin fee of around R200.00 if you go there. And Murphy's Law, they always do something like that out of office hours, where you could go to the GP. Plus, what about saving for the child's future in terms of education, etc. I think it's disgusting for people to question whether you are using this money for your own bills. I will gladly provide my ex with a breakdown of where exactly the money goes. The ex is 50% responsible for this child. They want all the rights in terms of visitation rights, guardianship, etc., but they don't want the responsibility of looking after the child. They always claim poverty. Times are tough, not only for them, but for us too. It does so happen that often women earn a bit more nowadays, but I went through 4 months of unpaid maternity leave, during which time I still supported the 3 of us and the thanks I get, the acknowledgement of his responsibility is R500.00 per month. Come on people - why must we sit back and just say: "be grateful if you get something". It's exactly that attitude that is letting these people get away with paying R350.00 for an 11 year old, for example, or nothing. Why are we so afraid to do anything about this? Question: if you were still married, living in the same house, would he only be paying R350.00 towards his child - NO - so why now?
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