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My ex Girl friend doesnt want me to see my child
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#1 Posted : Monday, January 18, 2010 8:11:57 PM(UTC)
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Hi

Am having a problem with my ex girlfriend she broke up with me we never had and abusive relationship but later she started keeping my son away from and started to demand more money even when we were in a relationship it was had for her to let me see my son.

I use to give her money buying cloth for my son as much as i can but my fimaly tried to find out from her why she always take my shon awys from them n me even where they ask to see him she always refuse,this situation has now entered for third year and my fimly had give up that i have a son,i spend the whole year without seeng him,even if when she come to limpopo i even tried so many time to go to JHB where to live but she will refuse me to see him.

Now i dont know what should i do whether i should cary on living like this support the baby even am not allowed to have a relationship with my son,and currently am buzy doing up n down as she have reported me for maintaince i tried to let them understand n show them all the proof of money that i give her but the dont want to see that all the need is me been a father only when it comes to money.

What can i do on this situation.
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#2 Posted : Tuesday, January 19, 2010 9:58:34 AM(UTC)
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It's easy for me to say, as I haven't shared your problem, but I do hope you will continue to try and strive to be a dad to your child. He deserves it, and you deserve it. Even if you write him emails knowing they might never reach him. It's vital for him to one day know that you have never given up on your son. Good luck.
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, January 19, 2010 10:16:57 AM(UTC)
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You need legal representation. Write your ex-girl a letter where you explain that you demand your right to see your son and suggest how often you want to do that. Continue paying. If she then refuses to let you see your son again, take the police with you.
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#6 Posted : Tuesday, January 19, 2010 10:18:47 AM(UTC)
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You should immediately go and see the welfare department, your son needs you!!
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#8 Posted : Tuesday, January 19, 2010 10:33:07 AM(UTC)
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Hi. My Manager had the same problem. He stoped paying and later she gave up the child. You should try and see if she realy loves the kid or just your money. I am devorced and have custidy of both my kids and yhey love living with me.
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#10 Posted : Tuesday, January 19, 2010 10:34:06 AM(UTC)
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My brother , it is easy . Find out where your son lives and go ther personally . If she attacks you or gets her boyfriend to attack you , they you will have a strong case against her in court .
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#12 Posted : Tuesday, January 19, 2010 10:36:55 AM(UTC)
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I think the South African Law should change, when a women know she is pregnant, she has 9 months to decide if she wants the father involved, with the upbringing of the child.

If the decision is to keep the father involved then yes, pay child support but shared custody, 50/50 is then enforced and remember the women needs to carry the financial burden 50/50, if not then the father should get more rights if that is the decision.

If the decision is not to keep the father involved once the child is born then the women is on her own and cannot at t later stage request child support.

Equality of the gender should be enforced, too may times the man is the victim in the relationship and it is time to hold women accountable as well.

South Africa should just spend a little time to see the legal systems of America and UK.

Boo hoo!
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#15 Posted : Tuesday, January 19, 2010 10:40:20 AM(UTC)
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Hi,

there many other good fathers are in your situation my friend, just be strong and get support for yourself as well.

firstly try and get in touch with local member of fathers4justice organisation to meet other dads in your situation.
-make sure that your son is well cared for physicall etc as priority.
-by speaking to others in similar situation try and get hold of a lawyer with a reputaton to help and not just wanna make money off u.
-make every effort within your circumstances to see and support your child no matter what.
-and know there will be times when u will be very down and want to give up but dont ; just take a break and then start again.
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#17 Posted : Tuesday, January 19, 2010 10:58:06 AM(UTC)
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There are two seperate but related issues:

1: Access to your son, which is your right.

2: Maintenance payments, which is your duty.

Your Ex can not prevent you from seeing your child and you can take her to custody court. As for the maintenance payments, you can use this in court to show you are contributing to your son's livelihood. Your Ex has no leg to stand on, assuming the info you gave is accurate and complete. It seems she is using your son as leverage to get money from you and not for the benefit of the kid necessarily. This will not help her case should this go to court. The most important thing to remember is that the welfare of the kid is the primary concern and that is the view the court will take as well.

There are a few comments on this blog that are very ill informed. The mother can not choose on her own whether the father can be involved in the child's upbringing or not. All decision pertaining to the kid must be made by both parents unless a court has ruled otherwise for some or other reason.

The comment by someone who replied under "guest" that the UK or US systems work any other way is complete wrong. In fact, in South Africa you have a much better chance of getting a fair ruling if the spirit of our Constitution is adhered to. Contribution by the father does not have to be 50/50. Circumstances should dictate what is feasible and there is no reason why the father can not provide more. What you can do is to insist that you accompany them when any payments are made to ensure that the money goes to the child, not the mother. For instance if school or creche fees are paid, do that yourself.

The suggestion that you write your Ex a letter is a good one but get advise on what to put in the letter and how to word it. Alway stick to the two principles that the welfare of the child is the primary concern and that you have a right as parent to have access to the child.

Do not stop paying maintenance and keep record of all your contributions. She should sign a receipt or you pay her electronically to have record of the transaction. File everything and, if necessary, take it to court should that be necessary.

I do not suggest you just show up at your Ex's house without notification. She also has rights when it comes to her personal space and place of residence and you can not violate that in this case. It will compromise your case should a fight break out. Never ever consider violence as a resolution even if someone else starts it. There is no way that this will be considered as a good environment for the child and welfare can take he kid away from both of you.

Good luck
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#18 Posted : Tuesday, January 19, 2010 11:07:37 AM(UTC)
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I wish my baby daddy was like you...
do it the legal way bro, if necessary make a memory box where u keep proof of payments and letters you write to him, even tho you dnt send them. as for school fees, dont give her th money - ask for banking details. buy him clothes - minimise the actual cash you have to give her, cos chances are she's not using th money on th child.
go to th family court as well, your kid must know that you tried and failed, not that they'll forgive you when they hormone fueled during adolescence - but it also helps your peace of mind.
best of luck, bro!
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#20 Posted : Tuesday, January 19, 2010 11:36:07 AM(UTC)
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Brother, did you sign a legal court document (divorce agreement) after she left? If not, she doesn't have a leg to stand on to demand money from you. If you did, unfortunately the fact that she keeps your son from you has nothing to do with paying maintenance. This is a long battle in court, but you can make a case against her for not letting you see your son. She then has to give very good reasons for not allowing you. On the maintenance side, do internet transfers rather than cash, keep all receipts of everything you pay for your son. This will help you with a strong case in court over an increase in maintenance.
Good luck!
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#22 Posted : Tuesday, January 19, 2010 12:56:49 PM(UTC)
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Legally your ex can not deny you access (I assume that you were not married)
As the biological farther you have automatic rights same or similar to that of a married woman or biological mother, to care, contact, guardianship and maintenance, if you comply with one or more of the following criteria
1. You choose to be identified as the child’s father
2. The mother identifies you as the child’s father
3. You pay or attempt to pay maintenance
4. You pay damages under (local traditional) customary law.
I would make the following suggestions that if it is at all possible you relocate to Johannesburg as the travelling and logistical cost alone will kill you.
You approach a local lawyer (that practices family law only i.e. this is their sole source of income) to assist you in approaching the family Advocate and the courts for relief in your matter.
In the absence of violence and abuse on your part, as part of your application you DEMAND that you have free easy unrestricted, unsupervised contact guardianship and maintenance with your child. If you are abusive or violent then we would stipulate that your contact be supervised by an appropriate court appointed agent. We would also strongly suggest that if you are prone to violence or abuse that you seek appropriate treatment and or anger management counselling.
Until such time that contact is established, Do NOT, I repeat DO NOT go to your child’s house unannounced – you will be arrested.
For any additional information please visit our website www.f4j.co.za

As a matter of interest the comment about America and Britain being better suited to children’s rights think again. Any country where were the legal basis originated out of Roman Dutch or English law are far worse of than South Africa – Believe it or not even though our lawyers and Psychologists still practice state sanctioned legalised child abuse and child abduction we are far better off than, America, Britain, Canada, and new Zealand. There is also a large feminist movment in America, Canada and Britain that are under mining children’s rights of access to both biological parents, through lies, deceit and miss representation of facts.
Visit the following sites for more information
http://www.yell.com/soli...dads-on-relocation-law/
http://www.dailymail.co....n-fathers.html?ITO=1490
http://www.thecustodyminefield.com/
http://www.familylaw.co..../Teasers/Relocation.pdf
http://www.savanah-jade....vetoRemoveFactsheet.pdf
http://www.reunite.org/http://www.bobgeldof.info/ http://www.makepovertyhi...rrer=www.bobgeldof.info
http://www.grandparents-....org.uk/contact-us.html
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#23 Posted : Tuesday, January 19, 2010 1:18:22 PM(UTC)
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I have been paying maintenance ( NEVER MISSED payments ) for 13 years now, and I got a high court judgement, and still i have only seen my child 6 times, and the mother just refuses that i see my child. My child does not want to see me or her sisters ( My kids with my current wife ) anymore, due to the mother telling her LIES and telling her that we want to take her away from her sister ( Mother's child with new husband ). I have tried courts, lawyers, spent tens of thousands of rands, but in SA, most courts side with the mother. The mother just DEMANDS more and more money, but now, i am refusing for the first time, so hang in the my friend, you are in for a bumpy and roller coaster ride with the SA law.
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#24 Posted : Tuesday, January 19, 2010 2:08:40 PM(UTC)
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Go to the Office of Family Advocate and start the process. It is free
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#25 Posted : Tuesday, January 19, 2010 2:41:38 PM(UTC)
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you are doing the right thing by paying maintenanace, there are many men out there who do not contribute, and where the moms would adore the child to meet his/her father. The courts do not help. Best is to wait until the child is old enough to understand what is happening. Kids are quite clever and not as stupid as most people tend to think. They can see quite clearly what is happening.
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#26 Posted : Tuesday, January 19, 2010 2:53:49 PM(UTC)
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IN RESPONSE YOU PAY CHILD SUPPORT BUT DON'T GET TO SEE YOUR CHILD. HOW DESPERATELY SAD WHEN MOTHERS ARE SPITEFUL. IF THE FATHER IS A GOOD FIGURE IN THE CHILDS LIFE, LET THE CHILD SEE AND VISIT THE FATHER! DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THE LONG TERM COMPLICATIONS THAT SET IN WHEN A CHILD IS WITHHELD FROM A PARENT THAT WANTS SO BADLY TO BE PART OF THE CHILDS LIFE, EDUCATION & FUTURE. THIS CHILD TOO WILL GROW UP WITH ISSUES AND ATTITUDES THAT COULD HAVE BEEN PREVENTED HAD BOTH PARENTS AND ESPECIALLY THE MOTHER IN THIS CASE. SAT AND DISCUSSED THE CHILDS NEEDS FIRST THEN THE PARENTS. BUT INFLUENCE FROM OTHER PARTIES AND NEW BOYFRIENDS ETC., MAY HAVE AN AFFECT ON PUSHING A FATHER TO THE BACK OF THE PICTURE. GROW UP - MOTHERS , KIDS NEED THEIR FATHERS AS MUCH AS THEY NEED THE MOTHERS. IF A FATHER OR MOTHER IS A NO GOOD - THAT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT STORY THEN.
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#27 Posted : Tuesday, January 19, 2010 2:59:46 PM(UTC)
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Been there done that...it's very easy, if you goto a lawyer, court..etc you going to have to fork out LOTSA cash...for me, just stop supporting her...stop paying. She will treat you like crap but so what, you only interested in your kid. Wait and see how it works out, it's ALL A GAME...if you run to the lawyers 1st sign of unhappiness you going to waste ALOT of money, time and frustration...play the game but know her well....don't do it blind....get informed. Rememeber, your kid is a lifetime, this is worth the effort and short term irritation...to most woman who do this...it's all a game of seeing how much they can get back at you...has NOTHING to do with the kid, in fact the kid is used like cannon fodder...
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#28 Posted : Tuesday, January 19, 2010 4:30:29 PM(UTC)
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If you're gonna visit the family advocate, pray that they are better than the ones I have dealt with in PE. Pathetic is the only way to describe them.
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#29 Posted : Tuesday, January 19, 2010 6:46:46 PM(UTC)
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I hope you have progressed since your post.
My brother is going through the same thing. She faked taking the pill and got pregnant, during pregnancy she seemed fine, but after OMW a complete different person.

She has been taking my brother to court for more maintenance for 2 years now. He lost his job as he was always in court. For 2/ 3 month she allow myself and my brother to see his daughter about 7 months ago. She never got her way in court (for an increase in maintenance), so we werent allowed to see his daughter. Dont you think that using your child as leverage is a bit harsh. His daughter is now 2 years old and we missed out on everything. But i am worried what it is doing to the little girl. She got to see her dad all in all about 10 times and then his gone.

My advice. Go to a family advocate (they are free) and this is what they do for a living. We going soon...

Will keep you posted.
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