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#1 Posted : Monday, January 25, 2010 2:30:21 PM(UTC)
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Any advise re OBE schooling versus THRASS?

My kids are due to start Grade 1 next year, I have 2 schools in mind - 1 follows THRASS and the other OBE.

Any comments and things to look out for based on these educational teachings?
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#2 Posted : Tuesday, January 26, 2010 3:52:52 PM(UTC)
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OBE i think has proved itself not to work...
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, January 26, 2010 4:10:36 PM(UTC)
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OBE = Crock o' Crap
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, January 26, 2010 4:16:12 PM(UTC)
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I am not familiar with the Thrass system, but as for OBE, I must defend it and say that there are many positive things about it. The curriculum is certainly more useful than it was in my days of CNE. Of course, you need a good teacher, well paid and motivated, well trained and familiar with the materials to make any schooling system work.
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#5 Posted : Tuesday, January 26, 2010 4:17:43 PM(UTC)
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I know nothing about THRASS but OBE has been tried and dumped by many countries, even before SA tried it.

Also remember that govt schools have about a 22% success rate of taking a grade 1 starter to a matric pass, so whatever you do, avoid those....
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#6 Posted : Tuesday, January 26, 2010 4:29:53 PM(UTC)
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You are very very confused. Outcomes Based Education is a revamped curriculum with particular focus on continuous assessment. THRASS is a teaching methodology to Teach Handwriting Reading and Spelling Skills (THRASS). You cannot compare the two, and it is not a choice of one versus the other. THRASS happens in schools that have chosen to adopt this methodology, which is mostly former Nodel C schools and private schools. OBE is happening in every single South African school, whether they are doing THRASS or not. OBE is also here to stay and it is not going to disappear. It is being refined and simplified and improved but it is here to stay. Don't listen to these other fools about OBE being dumped, nowhere in the world has it been dumped, it is being modified and improved.

OBE is about assessment in the new curriculum, and THRASS is a teaching methodology in the foundation phase to teach reading, writing and spelling. I suggest you do some research and reading.
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#7 Posted : Tuesday, January 26, 2010 4:40:20 PM(UTC)
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OBE is a new curriculum. THRASS is a methodology. If you don't know the difference between the two then don't make a fool of yourself trying to compare the two.
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#8 Posted : Tuesday, January 26, 2010 5:16:26 PM(UTC)
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Yes, as the above two comments indicate OBE and THRASS are two completely different things. THRASS is being implemented (to great success) at OBE schools to help teach young children in the foundation phase of their schooling the basics of spelling and reading etc.
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#9 Posted : Tuesday, January 26, 2010 5:24:44 PM(UTC)
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You are the only one who is going to ensure your kid get's the education they need; a school can only do that much.
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#10 Posted : Tuesday, January 26, 2010 5:28:51 PM(UTC)
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OBE is the curriculum. THRASS (Teaching Handwriting Reading And Spelling Skills) is the methodology that is used in a lot of private schools in the foundation phase, as opposed to Letterland, for example. You don't have a choice regarding OBE, it's in all the schools. Nothing you can do about it.
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#11 Posted : Tuesday, January 26, 2010 5:30:11 PM(UTC)
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Common guys by now you must be able to differentiate between OBE & THRASS. Dont make remarks when you not sure.
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#12 Posted : Tuesday, January 26, 2010 6:30:25 PM(UTC)
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I personally don't think you can go wrong with a good Model C school. However, please do make sure they have teachers who care about the WHOLE child - academically yes, but also emotionally, and keeping in mind different personalities. You should definitely also look for smaller classes - and for that you don't have to go to a private school. My children (now Gr 2 and 7) are in a Model C, 25 children average per class, each class has an assistant. BUT, as a previous guest said, in the end it all comes down to how much you as parent care, assist, support, encourage. Once your child knows how to read (don't push it - wait for your child to develop with the class), let him/her read, read, read. It made all the difference to my children. Also teach your children to respect their teacher and never talk badly about the school or about the teacher (whatever you may think) in front of your child, so that they can keep up the spirit of positivity at school.

Good luck in making your choice.
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#13 Posted : Wednesday, January 27, 2010 12:37:42 PM(UTC)
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I think our 2008 and 2009 matric results show without a doubt that OBE has failed, even if it has "continuous assessment" and teaches "practical skills". Continuous assessment, which I understand to mean frequent testing of the material being taught, has always been used in South Africa schools. To suggest that "before", children were not tested is ludicrous. Unfortunately, of course, the words "continuous assessment" mean different things to different people. It turns out that the phrase does not mean "frequent testing", but rather refers to a teacher making a subjective comment about each pupil each week in each subject - a colossal waste of energy and time, and totally useless in determining whether or not the child has actually mastered the material! Well, our 2009 matric results show that at least 40% of them (4 out of 10) did NOT master the material ... The name "OBE" stands for "Outcomes Based Education". What they are trying to say is that NOW we "teach for results (outcomes)". As a teacher of many years standing, I can tell you that a good teacher always "teaches for results", and always has done. OBE did not invent this "new" idea! It is very deceitful, and as I said before, the matric results speak for themselves. I am sorry that there are still some die-hard so-called educationalists who insist that OBE is here to stay. That is very bad news for South Africa's children. The only solution, as I see it, is to remove your children from the school system altogether and homeschool them. Mothers make excellent teachers, and they have the great advantage that they normally are very practical people who are able to see when something doesn't work, and don't insist on continuing with a favourite theory (e.g. OBE) when it has clearly failed. Since homeschooling was legalized in South Africa in 1996 thousands of families have gone this route, with excellent results, not only academically, but in family life and in every other way. So all is not lost - even if we are stuck with OBE!
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#15 Posted : Friday, February 12, 2010 2:11:43 AM(UTC)
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BRAVO, Alison! Absolutely, positively correct in every way!

Luckily, my son (now 17) is at a private school where "...The curriculum is a combination of the South African National Curriculum, matched with the British National Curriculum and delivered through the innovative pedagogy of the International Baccalaureate (IB). The Cambridge International Examinations and IB Diploma provide externally assessed qualifications recognised throughout the world..."

And my youngest, now 6, is in another (very small and expensive) private school where he receives a proper education in the home-schooling curriculum.

Else I would be forced to home-school myself. After all, I want my sons to have a good education - not to have their intellect and work-ethic destroyed by a disaster in the making viz. state-controlled schools....
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#18 Posted : Sunday, March 14, 2010 5:19:02 PM(UTC)
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Listen people I am a OBE kid. Or at least a guinea pig for OBE when it was just introduced. It is a load of BS!! First of all you don't know up from down the teachers know even less and you these BS assignments which one pupil completes and the rest of the group reaps the benefits of your work. It is bull never worked and never will work!! My little brother he was an OBE pupil and his marks dropped drasticly from primary school into high school. My own personal opinion and conclusion is the OBE in a bad idea!!

Not impressed at all, you all say it's so marvelous well guess again!

Not Impressed

KBY
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#19 Posted : Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:11:58 PM(UTC)
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well could you plz tell me that which school of these which you mention in your post has the best school because i want to enter my kid in best school so kindly suggest for me whom standard should also be good i am talking about the education point of view
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#21 Posted : Sunday, July 17, 2011 10:02:21 PM(UTC)
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Hear, hear, Alison and KBY.
OBE is rubbish for the teachers and the pupils (note: I don't use the word learners)
I've been there, done that in education and only a few aspects of OBE are useful.
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