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challah
#1 Posted : Tuesday, April 20, 2010 12:20:22 PM(UTC)
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Hi All, my son is 7 and in Grade 2. He is struggling to subtract, He does his addition very well, but when it comes to subtracting he struggles and dont know how escpecially when the numbers is more than his 10 fingers. I tried using the Abacus as well with no help. If there is any advice out there please I would appreciate it. Any help at this stage would be of use. Thanks.
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#2 Posted : Tuesday, April 20, 2010 11:07:11 PM(UTC)
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Challah, my son is 6, in Grade 2, and his arithmetic is pretty much ok. I found that his addition came easily, and then he was battling with subtraction - so I got him to write out the numbers, one above the other, and then work the subtraction(s) one column at a time.
At first, I made sure that the larger number was larger in both digits (i.e. 25 minus 14, rather than 25 minus 19), and when he was comfortable with that, I showed him how to 'borrow' from the next largest column.
It took literally a day.
When he grasped it, it was like a light was shining through his eyes - and I had to take his paper and pencil away so he could have supper!

The next day the other kids in his class battled for hours on their subtraction, and he finished it all in 30 minutes - they all wanted the teacher to show them HIS way...

Just start simple - 9 minus 5, for instance, and slowly work it up into the teens and beyond - once he's grasped the fundamentals and learns to stick to the columns, he's 90% of the way there. And when he learns to 'borrow' he's mastered the art.

Clever kids need to actually SEE the problem and UNDERSTAND it, and then they can solve it. They don't take kindly to learning the way schools teach nowadays - where they're given a method and told to apply it, no questions asked. They really don't like that, and will subconciously resist it until they can actually understand WHY things are done a certain way. It really comes down to having a good teacher - and there aren't many of those left any more, so YOU have to do the job...


Remember this: the most powerful computers in the world can ONLY add. They cannot divide or multiply, and they manage subtraction by adding the 'negative' value of the number. Multiplication is nothing but repetitive adding, and division simply repetitive subtraction. So once your child can add, the rest is right there within his grasp - you just need to find a way for him to see it and feel happy using it...
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, April 21, 2010 10:17:04 AM(UTC)
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I would like to say thank you for the Guest who gave me some advice on my son's subtraction. I will try the new method and seehow it goes and will do so with alot of faith. I am trying to take it from all angles, cause as a parent you only want what is best for your child. Many Thanks.
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, April 21, 2010 1:03:44 PM(UTC)
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I think that before you teach your son this way of subtracting, have a meeting with the teacher and find out if this is acceptable to her. I have found that the teachers have a certain way of teaching each maths skill as they all link into one another.
In other words the methods for teaching addition, subtraction, division and multiplication will all follow on from each other.
The methods of teaching maths are radically different than when I was at school and borrowing from the next column is no longer taught.
Hope you get some help the teachers have always been helpful when I have asked. xxxx
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, April 21, 2010 2:17:30 PM(UTC)
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Hi

I strongly disagree with the advice of talk to teacher first. My momto and the teachers I've been dealing with both feel the child needs to find his own why, as long as the answer is correct and steps are shown they do not realy care how the child did it, my son also struggled but older and it was with fractions, I told him to draw circles with pictures and he still does it even in high school, some of his mates uses his method.
We had him tested and he's left brainer, they understand and study better with pictures and not words.
Thus what ever works for your child, will be acceptable, go ahead and try the new method at the end of the day teachers and parents want to see good marks, how they get it not the problem.

With classes being over full, our children does not get the attention they realy need and teachers appreciate it when parents do the extra mile and help at home, yes I know they get paid to do it, but I prefer going the extra mile at home and m son has no problems with his teachers
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#6 Posted : Wednesday, April 21, 2010 2:32:11 PM(UTC)
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shazdart, are you COMPLETELY insane?

The (OBE) education system is turning out (matriculating) illiterates who cannot read or write properly, and who cannot add or subtract - and your advice is that "the schools don't teach borrowing from the next column, so don't teach your kids that"?
If you actually UNDERSTAND simple arithmetic (which I doubt), then please explain HOW you would subtract one large number from another without, somewhere, somehow, 'borrowing' from the next column.

Incidentally, addition, subtraction, division and multiplication are NOT 'maths skills', but simply 'arithmetic'.

C'mon, SHOW us how YOU would do subtraction of large number! I challenge you!
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#7 Posted : Wednesday, April 21, 2010 3:53:12 PM(UTC)
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Mathematics is not a 'subject' like geography or biology wherein the theoretical is in part practical and duly visible. Mathematics is a language, in the strictest sense of the word and as with all languages, everyone develops his or her own methods of understanding it. The human mind analyzes numerical quantities in it's own unique way which is why I wouldn't be too overly critical of one method against another. I agree that the OBE strategy is lacking in terms of structure and rigidity but basic mathematical skills such as addition and subtraction are best learned with continuous practice. Number lines, tables and values are not foreign concepts to kids these days with the vast array of interactive kids TV shows and DVDs stressing these ideas at an early age. I have questioned our education system in terms of their enforcement of one method verses another (in particular long division not being taught the old way) but I find that presenting kids with more than option presents even greater problems. This of course is obvious to anyone who is a parent. Taking a kid to a toystore and give them options is akin to madness. So, best stick with one method but at least, once they have mastered it, make them aware of the other available choices.
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#8 Posted : Wednesday, April 21, 2010 6:46:56 PM(UTC)
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Our eldest son also started battling with arithmetic around grade 4 or 5, someone suggested we placed him in the Kumon math program – to cut a long story short all of our children are in the program and have been for a few years now, our eldest is in grade 11 now and I can honestly say I do not think he would be passing his school level math with distinctions if it wasn’t for Kumon Math. They did diagnostic tests and identified missing “blocks” for lack of a better word and started back at the basics. Today he does quadratic equations and trig without a calculator!!! Other children ask him for assistance as they find it difficult to grasp / understand their math teachers…

Don’t let me kid you – it is not an easy program to follow through to the end, bottom line the children need to do a book a day of math (5 to 10 pages) every day, school holidays included!!! The majority of parent’s place their children on the program for a year or two, or until the area the child was struggling with has been mastered – I have been too afraid to let them stop because I know how important math is and today without math so many occupational opportunities are unavailable and I personally do not have faith in the level of math teachers in general. I recall struggling through HG matric math way back when and yet when I went on to tertiary education I had a brilliant professor – and “ting” the lights went on – he was able to communicate in a manner that made sense, not “just because this is how it’s done.” The formulae and their applications finally made sense.

I recall a math professor speaking at the school a few years back saying repetition was the key. With our children this seems to have worked, though I know it doesn’t for all.

All I can say is good luck and don’t give up, be glad you have seen your son is struggling early on and can help fill in the gaps before it is too late.
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#9 Posted : Thursday, May 20, 2010 2:30:26 PM(UTC)
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Hi there I know what you are going through my child is ADHD/Biopolar and what I do with him is use marbles eg 10 marbles - 4 marbles = the remaining no. With really helps when they have to mutiply as while.
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